Folding big-slick pre-flop

[FreakDaddy]

Villian was a LAG, but after a decent raise and a call, does anyone else fold this? If this was HU I call it of course, but against two people It's not even even money correct? I was about 90% sure villian had aces. Yeah, I know. How do I know? I don't, but my third eye was screaming aces.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

UTG ($25.9)
UTG+1 ($57.95)
Hero ($26.7)
MP2 ($23.7)
MP3 ($30.2)
CO ($94.77)
Button ($24.4)
SB ($26.25)
BB ($8.5)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $4</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero folds.

Flop: ($9.85) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $3</font>, CO folds.

Final Pot: $12.85

[DoomSlice]

Reasons can be made for both call and re-raise, but I can't really see folding here.

1) Calling completes the action and you get a cheap flop.
2) Reraising will give you an idea of where you are and will trap some money in the pot.
3) Folding will make no money... ever [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[FreakDaddy]

[ QUOTE ]
Reasons can be made for both call and re-raise, but I can't really see folding here.

1) Calling completes the action and you get a cheap flop.
2) Reraising will give you an idea of where you are and will trap some money in the pot.
3) Folding will make no money... ever [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

You're going to have to do better to convince me here. I'm an under dog to any pair, and I would bet that one of these two guys that are calling 16x BB pre-flop have at least a pair. Against AA's I'm losing a lot of money if a K or A flops. I just don't see this as a positive EV play. Now if I re-raise and the orginal raiser pushes, I'm -EV big time.

[FreakDaddy]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,370,754 games 0.005 secs 274,150,800 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 33.9494 % [ 00.33 00.01 ] { AhKd }
Hand 2: 45.9257 % [ 00.46 00.00 ] { JdJc }
Hand 3: 20.1249 % [ 00.19 00.01 ] { AsQh }


1,370,754 games 0.005 secs 274,150,800 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 33.9494 % [ 00.33 00.01 ] { AhKd }
Hand 2: 45.9257 % [ 00.46 00.00 ] { JdJc }
Hand 3: 20.1249 % [ 00.19 00.01 ] { AsQh }

Why put money in here? What's the best scenario that's reasonable that I'd be in that would be +EV

[just2ska]

re raise if you get raised again the let it go

reraising lets you know where you are in the hand.

[-Skeme-]

Reraising a LAG, OOP, with AKo doesn't seem too smart to me. I just call this and look at the flop.

[swolfe]

[ QUOTE ]
re raise if you get raised again the let it go

reraising lets you know where you are in the hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

this is pretty terrible advice for this situation. you're not playing in a tournament.

[FreakDaddy]

I'm beyond confused at how people say this is a call. Can someone give me a range of hands that they think these two players would have that would justify a call and show profitability. I just don't see it.

[Siawyn]

This isn't really a question then. If you're 90% sure villian has aces, then you should be folding no questions asked.

[FreakDaddy]

[ QUOTE ]
This isn't really a question then. If you're 90% sure villian has aces, then you should be folding no questions asked.

[/ QUOTE ]

I love smart guys. Assume I'm wrong. How do you play this? What range of hands do you place callers on?