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#1
11-09-2005, 03:43 PM
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15/30 turn against GoT
Reads: CDC is floating, trying to play every hand or close to it. I think in general he's not playing that bad postflop but I haven't seen that many of his hands get to showdown since he folds on the turn a lot when he's drawing dead, and since he's been drawing dead on the turn a lot he's been folding a lot. Anyway.
Earlier Brighten raised 85s from the SB, I think, in a 5-way pot. He's a gambooling asian. He is, however, switching gears from playing badly to playing well occsionally throughout the night and I don't know where he is at this point. I raise UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CDC coldcalls. Folded to Brighten in the BB who makes it 3-bets. I call. CDC calls. The flop is Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Brighten bets. I raise. CDC 3-bets. Brighten calls. I call. The turn is the J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Brighten grins, then bets. What's my play? I'm pretty sure I have CDC beat but I have no clue what Bright could have here. Rob 
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#2
11-09-2005, 04:25 PM
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Re: 15/30 turn against GoT
if you're sure you have me beat, you can almost ignore my hand and pretend you're last to act.
if you call, i am not going to re-open the betting by raising again unless i really did have you beat (and most likely GoT beat too). the only downside is that if you just call you can't protect your hand against me. however remember the way i was playing, if i think i have any chance at all i'm calling no matter what you do anyways. given all of that and the fact that you're not sure you have GoT beat or not, you should just call.
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#3
11-09-2005, 05:03 PM
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Re: 15/30 turn against GoT
I would fold the turn. Brighten can easily have a real hand here. I know he raised junk in the SB after many limpers, but in this hand he is 3 betting preflop in the worst position. Just curious...do you know his 3 betting standards? does he make crazy 3 bets also? Anyways when brighten bets the flop and you raise(which is standard) and the other guy 3 bets and brighten cold calls the 3 bet when hes still not closing the action you are in big trouble. To continue in this hand you must assume that both players are on somekind of a draw and neither one of them has a Q or a Jack in their hand or a higher pocket pair. Given the flop action the odds that you are still ahead here is close to zero in my opinion. Maybe you dont believe the flop 3 bettor but Brightens cold call shows the most strength of all, a raiser or a bettor may be bluffing but a caller is not. Brighten has a real hand, either a flush draw or a hand that leaves you drawing to 2 outs, i dont think hes betting a flush draw on the turn. And even if you some how have Brighten beat, CDC can still easily have a better hand than you. So fold the turn and think about how much you love poker.
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#5
11-09-2005, 05:36 PM
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Re: 15/30 turn against GoT
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ust curious...do you know his 3 betting standards? does he make crazy 3 bets also? [/ QUOTE ] Earlier in the session I had opened from MP, got 3bet by either Entity on my immediate left, BB called, and I 4bet with something like 98s. And I was playing serious at the time and they knew it, so whatever you feel that's worth. GoT
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#7
11-09-2005, 08:50 PM
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Re: 15/30 turn against GoT
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] ust curious...do you know his 3 betting standards? does he make crazy 3 bets also? [/ QUOTE ] Earlier in the session I had opened from MP, got 3bet by either Entity on my immediate left, BB called, and I 4bet with something like 98s. And I was playing serious at the time and they knew it, so whatever you feel that's worth. GoT [/ QUOTE ] That certainly complicates the situation but I still think you need to fold this turn. Given the texture of the board  there is a Queen and a Jack on the board and you have 99) There are two broadway cards on the board and two flush draws on the board if i remember correctly, meaning there are many cards that can kill your hand on the river the very small percentage of the time you do have the best hand. And more important than all that, You have two guys here that both like their hands, and the probability that both of them are screwing around with a hand that cant beat 99 on that board and plus your hand holding up on that board if it somehow happens to be good is just too minuscule to continue in this hand.
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#8
11-09-2005, 11:38 PM
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Re: 15/30 turn against GoT
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Reads: CDC is floating, trying to play every hand or close to it. [/ QUOTE ] I'd say "lol" but that is corny. I respect CDC, but playing every hand is fishy. No more, no less. [ QUOTE ] I raise UTG with 99. CDC coldcalls. Folded to Brighten in the BB who makes it 3-bets. I call. CDC calls. [/ QUOTE ] Make it 4 bets. That's right. CDC, or anyone for that matter, is playing fishy and you have position on the 3 better. Make him call 2 more cold with a hand he didn't 3 bet with and might be 5 bet. It'll make the hand much easier to play, especially without CDC.
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#10
11-10-2005, 12:53 AM
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Re: 15/30 turn against GoT
id also 4 bet preflop. you might be slightly behind GOTs hand range but with CDC in the pot you have alot of dead money to split up between you and brighten.
i think a turn fold is in order. i also dont know how you can be so sure youre ahead of CDC at this point. you would know better than me since i wasnt in the game, but i would imagine that brighten grinning means he just caught a nice card. i dont think hes doing reverse tells to throw you off balance like that.
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