Batman Begins II - The Villian?

[dynamite]

who was he in the movie?

[whiskeytown]

depends...

I really thought the first 4 batman movies essentially sucked dogballs anyways...

There is an incredible amount of literature dedicated to Batman's refusal or doubts about killing the Joker - it's not some half hearted - "meh, let's just kill him" - even in The Dark Knights Returns, he stops short, and just breaks his neck, paralyzing him for the rest of his life - (the Joker managed to twist what was left and break his own spine...)

There is another great story where the Joker nearly kills Batman, who is presumed drowned and vanished - the Joker actually gets some flesh colored makeup and tries to rejoin regular society and meets a nice girl and everything - his psychosis was triggered in part BY Batman.

in fact, part of the only reason Batman really functions in Gothom is that he isn't an out and out murderer - kill one guy and suddenly your helpful vigilante becomes a nightmare and a police problem. And the playoff between him and Joker are generally the best stories in the canon.

So anything that can remake that hideous reject of a first Batman/Joker confrontation, esp. with the new focus on the character, not the comic book, is a-ok to me.

Jesus, it's 2am in Vegas - why the hell am I wasting my time on you bums....LOL - Later

RB

[eviljeff]

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There is an incredible amount of literature dedicated to Batman's refusal or doubts about killing the Joker

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Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker details the death of Joker. of course, he returns in a somewhat novel manner.

[samjjones]

I'm pretty sure that the next two movies will have the Joker and Two-Face as the villains, in whichever order. Personally, I'd prefer the non-supervillain route, and have Batman take down the mob or something.

[ononimo]

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Personally, I'd prefer the non-supervillain route, and have Batman take down the mob or something.

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then why bother having a super-hero? why not just call in the guys from Law & Order?

[IronDragon1]

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Any ideas?

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Black Mask

[samjjones]

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Personally, I'd prefer the non-supervillain route, and have Batman take down the mob or something.

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then why bother having a super-hero? why not just call in the guys from Law & Order?

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Obviously, you haven't read "Batman Year One".

[surfinillini]

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Its very dark now even compared to the Tim Burton films.

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WTF??? Isn't Tim Burton known for making "dark" movies?

Tim Burton makes dark movies yes, but Begins was darker than the original Batman and very true to the comic.

[surfinillini]

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Tim Burton makes dark movies yes, but Begins was darker than the original Batman and very true to the comic.

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I guess I could see that the Burton one had a lot of comedy, I mean the joker was a big satire of villains right?

Now was "Begins" true to the comic as far as his East Asian roots are concerned or was that embellished? That by far was the most interesting part of the movie.