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Old 12-18-2005, 04:15 PM
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I am in the habit of never showing cards at the end of a hand unless I am called or have not been shown a hand that beats mine in a hand that is checked down in turn. Last year, for the first and last time since, I got shown a card after being bet into before I had made my decision. After some discussion I was assured this was legal. I had flopped the K high diamond flush and bet the pot into two players, the last player to act shows me his Ace of diamonds and puts me all in - I called and the fourth diamond never came and I never thought of this again until last night.

I am in the bb with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] stack size is about 11 bb

sb is a calling station and erratic raiser who has been chasing second pair and flush draws to pot sized bets all night.

UTG is also a major calling station but much more passive.

Both have me covered by about 5 to 8 bb

UTG calls - sb raises 2.5 bb - I considered going all in here but figured I could get called by both I decided to call. - UTG calls - pot is now 7.5 bb

Flop is A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and a rag that made the flop rainbow and put no straight draws up.

UTG checks, sb bets 5 bb - I quickly go all in with my remaining 9.5 bb, and after UTG folds, sb has a decision of whether or not to call the remaining 4.5 bb into a 22bb pot.

When he hesitates I know he caught middle or bottom pair and based on his prior actions a call is definitely coming. If he calls and sucks out I am dead, If he calls and I win, my only gain is another 4.5 bb in a pot that is already 22 bb large. He would then be shortstacked at less than 10 bb.

He of course called after about 30 seconds and shows 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and after rebuying four times during the rebuy period this guy finally gets lucky and hits a 9 on the river. I go home.

I'm thinking if I show the ace -
assuming this is legal - Ciaffone has an article on this http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...amp;m_id=65539
- he folds. I of course did not show the ace as I did not even think of it until recalling the flush hand above later on but I am wondering if this type of play would be a decent maneuver in some very rare cases with certain conditions. Specifically, as above the pot odds are looking borderline or neglible, you know you are going to get called by someone prone to making marginal or even awful calls, and the gain you get from the call/win situation is not so great.
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Old 12-18-2005, 04:20 PM
uncleshady uncleshady is offline
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Default Re: Showing Cards Before Hand is Over

I have seen a player do something like this in the past. The board was three to the flush by the river and dude had two pair. He bets and the other player raises. He thinks out loud and, while his cards are in his hand, he flips them over so the whole table can see. He stares at the raiser intently and asks her if she can beat him. She says "I dont know..." He folds. Nobody said anything.
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Old 12-18-2005, 10:44 PM
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This is angle shooting IMHO and I don't like it.

Post this in the B&M forum.....
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Old 12-18-2005, 11:06 PM
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i hope you stay around here more, you have a lot to learn.
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Old 12-18-2005, 11:12 PM
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Reminds me of the time I was playing with some friends, player A goes all in and while player B is contemplating calling, player A flips over KK and player B decides to call with AK. The ace never came.
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:44 AM
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Default Re: Showing Cards Before Hand is Over

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Flop is A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and a rag that made the flop rainbow and put no straight draws up.

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What magical rag would this be? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Or just no open-ended straight draws?
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Old 12-19-2005, 02:47 PM
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This is angle shooting IMHO and I don't like it.

Post this in the B&M forum.....

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A lot of cardrooms, including mine, will declare a hand dead if it is exposed before the dealer calls for showdown.

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Old 12-19-2005, 03:05 PM
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why the hell would you not want 89 to call

ugggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Old 12-19-2005, 07:50 PM
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when my potential gain from the call is very limited, - like I said - very rare and specific situation - that is the whole idea.
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Old 12-19-2005, 07:56 PM
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Wow - i could not remember the rag - lets forget the whole darn thing - you think even the dumbo I was talking about would have hesitated for even a second if he had an open end - write back when you are done numbering your pubes and have a comment about my main point - actually - don't
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