Where is the fold here?

party36master · #1 06-22-2005, 08:43 AM

UTG+1 is 28/15/2.2 over 46 hands.
I suppose I can't call 2 cold on the turn.
And that the river call is spewing.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8.66 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, MP3 raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP3 all in, Hero calls.

River: (16.66 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.66 BB

Lurkmaster Flex · #2 06-22-2005, 08:45 AM

I fold when it's 2 to me on the turn. Paired board and possible someone has a made straight is enough for me.

crunchy1 · #3 06-22-2005, 08:48 AM

UTG+1 has pretty reasonable aggression and could be leading a pretty wide range of holdings here. MP3 is short-stacked and ready to go all-in.

You should be 3-betting the turn here.

shark6 · #4 06-22-2005, 12:56 PM

From your tone it sounds like you lost this one. However, I’d 3-bet the turn. MP3’s raise is just so he can lose the last bit of his money. UTG+1’s lead turn bet a lot of the time is a bluff at a scare card (He’s thinking I’m going to call one bet anyway with my gutshot draw, so why not just bluff at the paired board and take a chance to win it now). I’d expect a checkraise from his type if he just made trips.

imported_leader · #5 06-22-2005, 01:50 PM

I agree with what others have said. MP3's raise is almost meaningless. And a S&G here smells weak. 3-bet the turn.

mscags · #6 06-22-2005, 01:57 PM

I might call this on turn if I know the villians to be somewhat tricky. Once he three bets it though you are in a whirl of trouble. I would like to fold the river, but the pot is so big it probably justifies a call even though I can't see him have anything that can beat besides possibly a busted club draw pair

mscags · #7 06-22-2005, 01:58 PM

No way am I three betting this.

Grease · #8 06-22-2005, 01:59 PM

Why would you not 3-bet his donk bet?

My first inclination was not to 3-bet as well, but after I read the responses, I'm pretty much concur with popping it here.

Grease · #9 06-22-2005, 02:00 PM

You might also get a free showdown here if you choose to take it.

party36master · #10 06-22-2005, 07:13 PM

To those suggesting 3 betting:

Suppose I 3 bet, the original bettor caps.
Do you call? (I would)

When bet into on the river, do you fold the enormous pot?
(I'd find it hard to fold)