I really thought hard about this hand...

krishanleong · #1 08-13-2005, 04:21 PM

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, MP calls, CO calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, MP calls, CO folds, Button calls.

Turn: (9.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets, Hero calls, MP calls.

River: (12.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Button raises, Hero folds, MP calls.

Final Pot: 16.20 BB

Button stats are 54/15/.8/41 over 27 hands.
MPs stats are 76/7/.4/36/ over 59 hands.

Krishan

Warik · #2 08-13-2005, 04:35 PM

Given their stats they could be playing any two cards, but given their aggression factors, I don't think button would be playing a flush draw or straight draw so aggressively. The turn K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] wouldn't scare me vs. the button (but it may against MP who has been calling along the whole way).

Preflop: Fine.
Flop: Fine.

Turn: I bet out. You're risking a dangerous free card here. If you get raised, call 1 bet since you still have outs against a made flush.

River: Bet a blank. Check/fold if you got raised on the turn and didn't improve on the river.

Given your line, though, I think you do pretty much have to fold the river. Pot's not big enough to call two bets cold with a 3-flush on board and not closing the action.

Note: Still an overaggressive noob here. Good players be gentle with your flames. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

me454555 · #3 08-13-2005, 04:38 PM

The problem comes when you check the turn b/c you give up control of the hand. Betting the turn makes the rest of the hand play much better. If button raises again on the turn, you can assume he's got the flush and check fold the river UI

dave44 · #4 08-13-2005, 05:45 PM

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I'd be curious to here why you decided a turn check was best. I find it hard to put button specifically on a flush draw just yet.

JKDStudent · #5 08-13-2005, 07:39 PM

I really don't like checking the turn. Sure, Button could have a flush draw. But also a weaker ace. But when you check the turn, Button sees a lot of weakness, so even without a flush, he's betting thinking his hand is good. Now you don't know where you're at.

Bet/call the turn.

wackjob · #6 08-13-2005, 07:54 PM

I think this is a steamroll hand. Bet hard all the way. If you get raised on the river call 1 or fold when its 2 more back to you.

Trix · #7 08-13-2005, 08:13 PM

I dont get the turn, someone must have a flush when two bad see it for 3 bets ?

wackjob · #8 08-13-2005, 08:31 PM

Why? Why not 2nd pair and another weak ace or a guy chasing a runner-runner flush?

Stack · #9 08-13-2005, 09:22 PM

1- You have to bet this turn, but everyone has said that already.

2- When you are the pfr and the flop 3-bettor, but you check the turn, you open yourself to all kind of shitty plays from all kind of shitty hands.

ok, maybe someone showed a flush on the river, but I can't see how you can feel good about the turn check [granted...you didn't say that you did]

PokerBob · #10 08-13-2005, 09:27 PM

I don't get the turn check.