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Old 08-03-2005, 09:49 PM
Emmitt2222 Emmitt2222 is offline
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Default KQo flop decision

Not positive this is an interesting hand cus I'm a noob, but for me it was. As far as reads, everyone in the hand was rather loose 45-50vpip. The villian here is modestly aggro postflop, but doesn't get out of line often. He is capable of doing stuff like donkbetting with a draw HU and other such tricks, but I don't think he will do as much in a multiway pot.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero...


What is your plan for the rest of the hand?
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: KQo flop decision

I raise here to try to fold the SB and because I might be ahead. If 3 bet, I fold. On the turn, I bet if checked to and then check the river through unimproved. If further aggression shown in the hand, I fold unimproved.
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:00 PM
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Default Re: KQo flop decision

Raise. If 3-bet, call and see what the turn brings.
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Old 08-03-2005, 11:47 PM
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Default Re: KQo flop decision

Why would you fold to the 3-bet getting 13:1?

EDIT: 14:1
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Old 08-04-2005, 12:36 AM
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Default Re: KQo flop decision

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raise here to try to fold the SB and because I might be ahead. If 3 bet, I fold. On the turn, I bet if checked to and then check the river through unimproved. If further aggression shown in the hand, I fold unimproved.

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i don't think you're ahead here that often. certainly not enough to warrant a raise. why do you want to shut out the sb when you're likely drawing to 2 pair/trips? i don't get it. once he 3-bets, you have to call because you're getting like a ton to 1. you basically charge yourself 1.5 bbs to draw instead of .5.

i'd just call here and fold the turn UI if he leads again. is that off?
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Old 08-04-2005, 12:41 AM
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Default Re: KQo flop decision

Well the only hand you want the SB to fold is JT, and he can call profitably for one bet (with implied odds). Its close I guess but I think a raise is the best option that way you can get a free card somewhere hopefully.
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Old 08-04-2005, 12:58 AM
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Default Re: KQo flop decision

I agree, we have a bettor and a caller ahead of you after your preflop raise in a big pot with an ace and a king on the board. Our read seems to indicate were are likely beat. I think were drawing here very often, I don't see value in a flop raise.
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Old 08-04-2005, 01:04 AM
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Default Re: KQo flop decision

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Flop: (8 SB) 8, K, A (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero...


What is your plan for the rest of the hand?

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In order:

1) Fold
2) Call (very borderline, but not horrible)
675) Raise

Raising is really sucks here...

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Old 08-04-2005, 01:07 AM
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Default Re: KQo flop decision

I raise or fold depending on read, with that kinda read, I would see it possible for villain to bet a King you are ahead of, so I raise. If 3bet, I'm seeing a turn, folding there unimproved, but betting if called on flop and checked to on turn.
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Old 08-04-2005, 01:09 AM
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Default Re: KQo flop decision

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Flop: (8 SB) 8, K, A (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero...


What is your plan for the rest of the hand?

[/ QUOTE ]

In order:

1) Fold
2) Call (very borderline, but not horrible)
675) Raise

Raising is really sucks here...

___1___

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Why is folding even on your list? These donk bets mean nothing, and he's getting like 10:1
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