Please help, need advice (long)

[Seth Money]

Scotch Scotch Scotch, I love Scotch.

Stay Classy San Diego

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After reading your posts, I think that you are not ready to turn pro.

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After reading his posts so far, I don't think he was serious anyways.

Nice troll thread though.

b

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Please poimt out the posts where it seemed as if I wasn't serious, so I can clarify what I meant.

Or perhaps you're not interested in clarification. Perhaps your only motive for posting this was to get a rise out of and insult me.

Be constructive and positive, and so will I.

[LIRob23]

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Ok milk the joke is over you can stop pretending to be serious now. Insulting you did make my day at work go by faster though. Thanks alot, you clown.

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Ah, I see. Thanks for revealing yourself.

[uw_madtown]

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Subject: Please help, need advice (long)

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Stop listening to ICP. This is more important than any poker advice I could give you.

[OrangeKing]

I will say a few things that have been kind of brushed past in this thread, or said in the midst of insults and ignored. Please understand, Milenko, that I'm just trying to help you out a bit by saying what I'm saying - you may well be a very good poker player, but this advice is probably worthwhile.


1) You will not make $150/hr playing 6/12. You will not make $100/hr, or $50, or probably (based on the limited information you gave us) even $25/hr.

When we talk about winrates here, we talk in terms of BB/100 - or big bets per 100 hands. In other words, we talk about the number of big bets ($12 bets in your case) that we can win on average in 100 hands. In a B&M casino, you'll probably get 30-35 hands in each hour; for the sake of simplicity, we'll say it takes 3 hours to get 100 hands in. For you to make $450 in 3 hours, you'd have to make about 38 BB/100.

Sadly, this sort of winrate is impossible, and it isn't even close. A player who is crushing a .5/1 table online might make 4 BB/100. And as the limits go up, this number goes down. But if you could be a great 6/12 player and make 4 BB/100, you'd still only be making $48 every 100 hands - or $16 an hour.

You are looking at short term results and assuming they will generally hold up for you. This is a very dangerous assumption to be making.

2) One thing that needs to be understood is just how different the online games are to the ones in the casino you've played in. They are filled with much tougher players at similar limits, so much so that your 6/12 game is probably equivalent in difficulty to a 1/2 table on PartyPoker (and depending on what your 6/12 table is like, maybe even a .5/1 game). If you jumped into a 5/10 game online, you would likely be crushed by the players at that level.

3) Possibly the biggest red flag was your statement about having trouble with the very loose players at the lower limit games. Quite frankly, if these players are frustrating you, you're not ready to be playing against better competition. Our money is made off of players who are making mistakes, not ones who are playing correctly. The more mistakes the better, and nobody makes more mistakes than the super-loose fish that populate the 2/4 and 3/6 games in your local casino.


I hope you take all of this into consideration and decide that you're not ready to make poker a significant part of your income right now. If not, and you do decide to, best of luck.

[Neal_Schon]

Have you considered going back in time and becoming an 80s rock god?

I highly recommend it.

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The only reason I play poker is because I am good at it

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*cries*

[EStreet20]

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As for whether or not live play is easier than online play, well, if the way people play at these sites for fake money is any indication of how horrible they play for real money,

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It's not.

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Maybe I'm wrong, though. I don't know

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You are.

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It would be nice if everybody stopped attacking me and helped me out

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No one's attacking you. We are trying to help you out, but don't ask for honest opinions and then argue with them. I (and many others who play more than I do) play more hands in a month, or some players in a week, than you have in your entire life and know that your short term winrate is nothing like your true winrate. My only advice to you wass to familiarize yourself with the game more and that you are not good enough to go pro right now. Read more threads about live vs online play and you'll see statements that an average 10/20 live game is comparable to or weaker than a 2/4 or 3/6 game online, which I can definately attest too. So again, good luck but you need to learn to play. If you disagree, and this isn't a pissing contest but I just want to prove a point, create a partypoker account and start playing. Post your results and we'll see how it worked out.

Later,
Matt

[EStreet20]

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have studied "SSHE" several times

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And you couldn't figure oput that BB meant Big Bet. Interesting.