OESFD on paired board - Page 2

Godfather80 · #11 12-12-2005, 06:30 PM

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I'd love to see some arguments for raising

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Two arguments for raising:
- Hero has an ewuity edge
- Hero's semibluff may push opponent off a better hand

There are problems with these arguments, however. First, if 5the opponent has 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], we don't have an equity edge.

Second, many better hands won't fold, such as trips.

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Grunch, what's your line here? If you were to call (as I would), would you lead any turn for 2/3?

bizaff · #12 12-12-2005, 10:10 PM

I agree - reraise all-in is what I did, which upon further review, I don't like against an unsuckful player on a paired board.

bizaff · #13 12-12-2005, 10:10 PM

Not at all, and I think I prefer this line.

bizaff · #14 12-12-2005, 10:20 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) converter

Hero ($148.85)
UTG+1 ($157.05)
MP1 ($37.25)
MP2 ($139.75)
MP3 ($41.35)
CO ($92)
Button ($233.80)
SB ($228.10)
BB ($65.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, MP2 calls $4, 5 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $7, MP2 raises to $14, Hero raises to $144.85, MP2 calls $121.75 (All-In).

Turn: ($290.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($290.10) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $290.10

Results:
Hero has Th Jh (one pair, eights).
MP2 has 9c 9s (full house, nines full of eights).
Outcome: MP2 wins $281. Hero wins $9.10.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1400757
pokenum -h jh th - ah 2h -- 8c 8h 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 9h 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jh Th 447 45.15 534 53.94 9 0.91 0.456
Ah 2h 534 53.94 447 45.15 9 0.91 0.544

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1400758
pokenum -h jh th - ac 8s -- 8c 8h 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 9h 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jh Th 423 42.73 564 56.97 3 0.30 0.429
8s Ac 564 56.97 423 42.73 3 0.30 0.571

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1400759
pokenum -h jh th - ac 9s -- 8c 8h 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 9h 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jh Th 636 64.24 354 35.76 0 0.00 0.642
9s Ac 354 35.76 636 64.24 0 0.00 0.358

Oo, hey, there's one I'm ahead.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1400760
pokenum -h jh th - ac as -- 8c 8h 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 9h 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jh Th 483 48.79 507 51.21 0 0.00 0.488
As Ac 507 51.21 483 48.79 0 0.00 0.512

Only better hands will call me. Way better hands. I don't think I'm being results oriented, but I don't like this line on a paired board.

tree_stump · #15 12-12-2005, 10:28 PM

What's your read of the villain?

At this limit, I'm having trouble believing he's raising here without an 8, and given the cold call (a bad raise, may I add) and a flop raise, I'm thinking he's got a pocket pair... 8s or 9s.

The all-in re-raise, imo, is an awful move. In many cases, you only have 2 outs and there's almost not a case I can think of where your straight is good given the action.

bizaff · #16 12-13-2005, 01:09 AM

I hadn't seen anything out of line from him. I agree, the min-raise doesn't really accomplish much.. well, accept getting me to push [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I don't like the push anymore either. If the straight isn't any good, I don't see how the flush can be good either.