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Old 11-19-2005, 06:13 PM
Spicymoose Spicymoose is offline
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Default Knowing I\'m beat, yet calling anyway

Opponent here seems pretty agro, and he is 64/4/2 after the last 40 hands. I wanted to fold on the river, but I just can't do it.

Any other problems?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, CO folds, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB
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Old 11-19-2005, 06:18 PM
imported_leader imported_leader is offline
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Default Re: Knowing I\'m beat, yet calling anyway

No folding the river not against this guy.
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Old 11-19-2005, 06:26 PM
Spicymoose Spicymoose is offline
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Default Re: Knowing I\'m beat, yet calling anyway

I have only seen this guy play a few hands, so I am not sure how agro he really is. What do you do against an unknown?
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Old 11-19-2005, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: Knowing I\'m beat, yet calling anyway

after that b/3b you're getting 5/1 to see showdown, which I think is good enough against guys like this.
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Old 11-19-2005, 06:31 PM
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Default Re: Knowing I\'m beat, yet calling anyway

Wow, I wouldn't even consider folding this river.
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Old 11-19-2005, 06:31 PM
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Default Re: Knowing I\'m beat, yet calling anyway

I know you're asking leader, but the b/3b is all power. I don't think I've ever seen someone semi-bluff this way. Against unknown I would alwyas raise that donker and would try and find a fold to the 3bet. You could have outs to 2 pair, but witht hat betting sequence I think you'll see set or straight way more often then 2 pair.
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Old 11-19-2005, 07:33 PM
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Default Re: Knowing I\'m beat, yet calling anyway

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I don't think I've ever seen someone semi-bluff this way.

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I have.

This guy has an ag-factor of 2 which is pretty high for a VP-60 player.

I've seen players slow-play their AT or even their JT or whatever and then go crazy on the turn.
I've seen 3-bet bluffs like this with total air.

If the guy is a semi-thinking player then he could have AT, T5 or 54 and be considering his straight-outs as well.

There's no way you can fold this.

If he's a 14/6/0.4 player then I feel better getting out of the way. but against this guy, anything is possible. He could have A3 for all you know or K7 for all you know.
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Old 11-19-2005, 07:57 PM
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I have only seen this guy play a few hands, so I am not sure how agro he really is. What do you do against an unknown?

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Probably call. 15-1 is a lot. If he's tight, I won't raise the turn. I'd call and raise the river. I'd be folding to a 3-bet there.
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