Moneymaker implosion?

[valenzuela]

From this post I can assume you suck at poker. However on this higher level tourneys,people probably have wider calling ranges than in SNGs, but Im sure you brain didnt make it here, Im sure moneymaker made sure the player was kinda noob before trying his mathematically correct play .( moneymaker didnt hope the guy would fold, he figured a calling range for his oponent and then he thought the range was tight enough, was he right? well never know since AK is basically on every calling range with short stacks.

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If he bluffs with that,

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What do you bluff with AA??

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nh

[TomBrooks]

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If he bluffs the cards are basically meaningless. Whether it is 96 or 72.. not much difference

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I think there is a considerable difference. Just in case he gets called, 96 or maybe T7, J6 etc. actually have some better chances of becoming the best hand. Maybe bluff with Q2 or K4o. At least it's better than 72.

[smb394]

I'm pretty sure his FE here was pretty high. It's not that bad of a move, just unlucky to run into AK or whatever the BB had.

[Uglyowl]

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If he bluffs the cards are basically meaningless. Whether it is 96 or 72.. not much difference

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I think there is a considerable difference. Just in case he gets called, 96 or maybe T7, J6 etc. actually have some better chances of becoming the best hand. Maybe bluff with Q2 or K4o. At least it's better than 72.

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cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Kd 1097770 64.11 605383 35.35 9151 0.53 0.644
7s 2s 605383 35.35 1097770 64.11 9151 0.53 0.356

As Kd 1051348 61.40 652751 38.12 8205 0.48 0.616
9s 6s 652751 38.12 1051348 61.40 8205 0.48 0.384

[TomBrooks]

Eh, I see what you mean. I ran a few other combinations of two higher cards versus two lower ones and they all mostly came out about 65/35.

If you have at least one high card and it's higher than your opponent, HU you are in pretty good shape though. For instance, K2o vs. QJs: K2 is a 53/46 favorite. A2o vs KQs is 54/45. I guess if your getting squeezed, any Ax would be one of the best hands to push with, any Kx probably next best.

[threeonefour]

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Eh, I see what you mean. I ran a few other combinations of two higher cards versus two lower ones and they all mostly came out about 65/35.

If you have at least one high card and it's higher than your opponent, HU you are in pretty good shape though. For instance, K2o vs. QJs: K2 is a 53/46 favorite. A2o vs KQs is 54/45. I guess if your getting squeezed, any Ax would be one of the best hands to push with, any Kx probably next best.

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did you consider that highcard+lowcard hands are easily dominated. If the player had a tightish calling range, I would rather have 64s than K2o for example.



this may be a VERY unrealistic range but you get the idea


3,246,528,384 games 6.500 secs 499,465,905 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 71.0189 % [ 00.70 00.01 ] { AA-22, AKs-A9s, KQs-KTs, QJs, AKo-ATo, KQo }
Hand 2: 28.9811 % [ 00.28 00.01 ] { K2o }


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1,150,668,288 games 3.110 secs 369,989,803 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 66.2210 % [ 00.66 00.00 ] { AA-22, AKs-A9s, KQs-KTs, QJs, AKo-ATo, KQo }
Hand 2: 33.7790 % [ 00.33 00.00 ] { 64s }

[WriterBoy]

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From this post I can assume you suck at poker. However on this higher level tourneys,people probably have wider calling ranges than in SNGs, but Im sure you brain didnt make it here, Im sure moneymaker made sure the player was kinda noob before trying his mathematically correct play .( moneymaker didnt hope the guy would fold, he figured a calling range for his oponent and then he thought the range was tight enough, was he right? well never know since AK is basically on every calling range with short stacks.

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You're right. I'm not a great poker player. I don't understand why he would do that. I'd also forgotten that Moneymaker is a posterboy for the Poker Everyman and that I'm apparantly only allowed to dislike Hellmuth.

My REAL point, which one guy in the thread said he got, was that Moneymaker seems to be kinda teetering in his life. The cardplayer video of him made him seem like an old star trek actor charging kids ten bucks for an autograph.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

How many Donkeys have you made? One would wager Chris Moneymaker made more donkeys than dollars when he won the WSOP.

Of course one could argue that they were already donkeys and Moneymaker just lead them to the promised land, but Donkeyleader isn't in his last name.

[mlagoo]

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From this post I can assume you suck at poker. However on this higher level tourneys,people probably have wider calling ranges than in SNGs, but Im sure you brain didnt make it here, Im sure moneymaker made sure the player was kinda noob before trying his mathematically correct play .( moneymaker didnt hope the guy would fold, he figured a calling range for his oponent and then he thought the range was tight enough, was he right? well never know since AK is basically on every calling range with short stacks.

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You're right. I'm not a great poker player. I don't understand why he would do that. I'd also forgotten that Moneymaker is a posterboy for the Poker Everyman and that I'm apparantly only allowed to dislike Hellmuth.

My REAL point, which one guy in the thread said he got, was that Moneymaker seems to be kinda teetering in his life. The cardplayer video of him made him seem like an old star trek actor charging kids ten bucks for an autograph.

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i dont see how we were supposed to get this point at all from your OP.

which, by the way, was completely wrong. nothing wrong with bluffing with any two cards with one player left to act.