Flopped set on a suited flop: Cap of fold? - Page 4

meep_42 · #31 08-13-2004, 01:13 PM

Definitely cap the flop with 3 callers.
Definitely cap the turn with 3 callers (you're still 1:4 to fill-up/make quads, so if they all call, you're golden)
Check/call one the river unimproved.

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spacemonkey57 · #32 08-13-2004, 02:11 PM

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I was positive the board wouldn't pair.

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Oh. My.

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I know. I'd like to say that comment was sarcastic, but it wasn't. I think I've learned this lesson. Now I'm off to hide under my bed and reread the post flop section of SSHE.

Final Pot: 16 BB
Main Pot: 16 BB, between SB, BB and CO.

Pot won by CO (16 BB).

SB shows Qs 9d (one pair, nines).
BB shows Qd 8h (high card, queen).
CO shows Ts 6h (two pair, tens and sixes).
Outcome: CO wins 16 BB.

I know, I know. I felt like putting my head in the oven when I saw it. I guess it was a 20+ big bet lesson. Don't fold a set on the flop. Fortunately this happened a few hands later.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (25 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (18.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, MP3 calls.

River: (30.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 33.50 BB
Main Pot: 33.50 BB, between SB, MP3 and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (33.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
SB shows 8c 9c (high card, ace).
MP3 shows Ah 7c (two pair, aces and sevens).
Hero shows Kc Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 33.50 BB.

Malificent · #33 08-13-2004, 02:27 PM

The SB in this example is why you can never assume that someone has something good to call you down the entire way.

flair1239 · #34 08-13-2004, 02:39 PM

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Pot won by CO (16 BB).

SB shows Qs 9d (one pair, nines).
BB shows Qd 8h (high card, queen).
CO shows Ts 6h (two pair, tens and sixes).
Outcome: CO wins 16 BB.

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I know I should not; but looking at the action i find this totally shocking

Beavis68 · #35 08-13-2004, 03:01 PM

Me TOO! I was thinking made flush, top pair Ad, and a set of two, taking away a bunch of the outs - this is incredible.

These results are just scary.

imsomoney · #36 08-13-2004, 03:03 PM

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I just read this item yesterday:

Bet, Raise or Fold

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Wow, that article is just full of horrible advice.

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"Remember, it is always correct to fold if you think you are beat. It's ok to get bluffed. It happens, and good players can be bluffed, bad players cannot."

Huh? Fold for one bet on the river after betting like crazy until that point? Ed would kick this guy's butt [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

SnakeRat · #37 08-13-2004, 03:54 PM

This is akin to folding KK when it is 4-bets to you preflop.
Though folding this set is worse.

You guys haven't played on party much if you are 'shocked' by those results.
Crazier pots with crazy multiway bluffing/overplaying are a common sight up to 2/4.
(Which is as high as I have played, maybe it continues higher.)

Edit: took out the obnoxious told you so part.

SteveY · #38 08-13-2004, 04:04 PM

I havent read the posts yet but this fold sucks big time. You're probably 2-1 to make a boat and you're getting 3-1 for every bet you put in on the flop. Cap for value.

Edit: Okay i basically just repeated what most people said. bleh

Nottom · #39 08-13-2004, 04:11 PM

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I dunno know why Nottom implied I was out of line for suggesting hero probably had the best hand on the flop.
Monster under the bed syndrome?

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I just think its absurd to actually put someone on an underset rather than a flush. I think its reasonably likely our hero has the best hand.

Honestly I don't even understand why this thread is still going, becasue folding the flop is such a blatent mistake its hardly worth discussing.

Nottom · #40 08-13-2004, 04:13 PM

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This is akin to folding KK when it is 4-bets to you preflop.

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But it seems to be OK to fold KK to a 5-bet .