settle this one for surfdoc and me

[Justin A]

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I think it's kindof funny how everyone has pretty much been saying "easy call" or "easy fold" but in reality in the long run it's going to be about the same either way...

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NLSoldier and I both think it's a fold, but that it's close.

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[mike l.]

"BTW, if we have another 20/40 holdem "Live at Bike" can I reserve a seat for you so all your fans here can watch you in action? Just so you know what the game is like check out the thread in the TV forum. And if I reserve a seat, will you at least wear a half decent t-shirt that actually fits you?"

yes to the first question, no to the second and i promise to play really boring predictable abc hold em. and if michael davis is in the game im not interested. anyway i play so hideously bad every single hand that it should be really entertaining stuff for everyone watching me tear through 4 racks and leave the room in tears.

[PassiveCaller]

Um okay. Thanks for pointing that out er.. or patting yourself on the back [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[DeeJ]

Raise. With these players you can definitely outplay them postflop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Seriously, call. You are likely getting 17:3 on your money, (that's almost <font color="red">six to one!</font>) .. nobody has a pair of 9s or better by the looks of it, unless BB does, (2.5% of the time) .. your EV should be sufficient to see a flop.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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"BTW, if we have another 20/40 holdem "Live at Bike" can I reserve a seat for you so all your fans here can watch you in action? Just so you know what the game is like check out the thread in the TV forum. And if I reserve a seat, will you at least wear a half decent t-shirt that actually fits you?"

yes to the first question, no to the second and i promise to play really boring predictable abc hold em. and if michael davis is in the game im not interested. anyway i play so hideously bad every single hand that it should be really entertaining stuff for everyone watching me tear through 4 racks and leave the room in tears.

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Hey, "Live at Bike" specializes in attractive cleavage, not male butt and belly cleavage so get with the program. You can borrow one of my shirts and if you come I'll try to make sure Michael Davis doesn't (maybe we will card him).

~ Rick

[Peter_rus]

It's pretty close. If they were a bit more aggressive i would complete without thinking or if my hand was like 96s not 93s.

[SinCityGuy]

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they are both like (vp$p/pfr%/aa) 40/8/1. bb is like 60/2/1.30.

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Mike, I see that you've been taking that foreign language course in your spare time. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[surfdoc]

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Who cares? It totally doesn't matter.

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I think that you are right here and it really doesn't matter. However, it is going through the thought process that is important and okay to do so for several reasons:

1. Arguing with mike is fun.
2. Multitabling online poker involves many more decisions to be made quickly. Although the EV may be marginal either way, these small decisions begin to add up.
3. Having a plan for these types of hands ahead of time can make a session less mentally taxing and therefore possibly longer. Longer session = more income (not a certainty here for mike)
4. We are bored.

I ran a few sims and suprise suprise it is close. The comparison hands were intentionally chosen pretty bad but probably not too far off since all limped. Also no suprise that anytime one of Hero's cards is placed in another hand his equity is significantly affected.

pokenum -h ac 5h - 4s 4h - 3s 9s - kd 5d - js th - qd 8c
Holdem Hi: 658008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac 5h 104612 15.90 546135 83.00 7261 1.10 0.164
4s 4h 114445 17.39 542975 82.52 588 0.09 0.174
9s 3s 98836 15.02 558584 84.89 588 0.09 0.150
Kd 5d 116573 17.72 534174 81.18 7261 1.10 0.182
Js Th 124461 18.91 532959 81.00 588 0.09 0.189
8c Qd 91820 13.95 565600 85.96 588 0.09 0.140


pokenum -h ac 5h - 4s 4h - 3s 9s - kd 5d - js th - qd 9c
Holdem Hi: 658008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac 5h 117844 17.91 531797 80.82 8367 1.27 0.185
4s 4h 120903 18.37 536234 81.49 871 0.13 0.184
9s 3s 66336 10.08 580964 88.29 10708 1.63 0.109
Kd 5d 127342 19.35 522299 79.38 8367 1.27 0.199
Js Th 123617 18.79 533520 81.08 871 0.13 0.188
9c Qd 83762 12.73 563538 85.64 10708 1.63 0.135

I think that hero's positional disadvantage is probably too great to overcome his "superior postflop skill" and this is a fold. Perhaps hero will share the rest of the hand so we can all be sufficiently amazed by his postflop prowess.

[mike l.]

i did make the call and i think i played the rest of the hand really well.

Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: richard240 ( $564.33 )
Seat 5: PerseusVII ( $260 )
Seat 1: hero ( $270.08 )
Seat 10: Beast17 ( $178.25 )
Seat 6: RobNovice ( $62 )
Seat 8: luverboi ( $202 )
hero posts small blind [$2].
richard240 posts big blind [$5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ 3c 9c ]
PerseusVII folds.
RobNovice folds.
luverboi calls [$5].
Beast17 calls [$5].
hero calls [$3].
richard240 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, Qd, 5c ]
hero bets [$5].
richard240 folds.
luverboi calls [$5].
Beast17 calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
hero bets [$10].
luverboi calls [$10].
Beast17 calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]
hero checks.
luverboi bets [$10].
Beast17 folds.
hero calls [$10].

[surfdoc]

I was just kidding about putting up the actaul hand.