$33 AK... Missed Flop

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

My post flop play is weak... how would you play post flop, and why? I did not like villain's bet on the flop that missed me... but did flop help or hurt villain? His bet suggests that it helped, or did not hurt him...

Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: pineapple888 (1805)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (715)
Seat 4: ZENIT69 (1120)
Seat 5: slangin_sara (765)
Seat 7: QuasiFiction (1815)
Seat 8: A1688 (290)
Seat 9: LuCkYl7 (1040)
Seat 10: tenntux (450)
ZENIT69 posts small blind (25)
slangin_sara posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Ks, Ad ]
QuasiFiction folds.
A1688 folds.
LuCkYl7 folds.
tenntux folds.
pineapple888 folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (150) to 150
ZENIT69 folds.
slangin_sara calls (100)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, 8h, 7c ]
slangin_sara bets (250)
HERO?
Results in White <font color="white">
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (565) to 565
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
slangin_sara calls (315)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ As ]
Creating Main Pot with $1455 with Dr_Jeckyl_00
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1455 |
Board: [ Td 8h 7c Kc As ]
pineapple888 balance 1805, didn't bet (folded)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 balance 1455, bet 715, collected 1455, net +740 [ Ks Ad ] [ two pairs, aces and kings -- Ad,As,Ks,Kc,Td ]
ZENIT69 balance 1095, lost 25 (folded)
slangin_sara balance 50, lost 715 [ Qh Qc ] [ a pair of queens -- As,Kc,Qh,Qc,Td ]
QuasiFiction balance 1815, didn't bet (folded)
A1688 balance 290, didn't bet (folded)
LuCkYl7 balance 1040, didn't bet (folded)
tenntux balance 450, didn't bet (folded)

EVEN THOUGH I WON, I THINK I SHOULD HAVE FOLDED TO HIS FLOP BET... BUT AS IS OFTEN THE CASE I GET IMPULSIVE AND DON'T THINK THINGS THROUGH
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[junkmail3]

Eh, just fold.

[mosdef]

With only 715 chips at the start of the hand you should just shove that preflop. You don't have enough chips to make a continuation bet after the flop when you hit.

[pineapple888]

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With only 715 chips at the start of the hand you should just shove that preflop.

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I disagree. There's hardly ever a reason to open push with &gt;10BB.

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You don't have enough chips to make a continuation bet after the flop when you hit.

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Yes you do (see villain's action), and so what if you didn't?

[pineapple888]

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Eh, just fold.

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Yep.

I agree with pineapple888. No reaosn to puch pre-flop and you have plenty of chips left to make a continuation bet post-flop, which i would probably have done had she not bet first. After the bet it's either a fold or an all in and I think fold is the way to go.

I've also got to say that I'm not really enamored with the way she played her queens.

[junkmail3]

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With only 715 chips at the start of the hand you should just shove that preflop.

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I disagree. There's hardly ever a reason to open push with &gt;10BB.


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(sorry for the hijak) Not to be a nit, but having 10.5 or 11 or 12 BB could make a pretty compelling reason.

Often when I'm stealing, if I have 12.5 or under BB (or my victims do) I'll just push away. No need to worry about 5.-2.5 BB. It gets rid of a lot of resteal headaches. (Normally starting at lvl 4+)

[pineapple888]

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With only 715 chips at the start of the hand you should just shove that preflop.

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I disagree. There's hardly ever a reason to open push with &gt;10BB.


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(sorry for the hijak) Not to be a nit, but having 10.5 or 11 or 12 BB could make a pretty compelling reason.

Often when I'm stealing, if I have 12.5 or under BB (or my victims do) I'll just push away. No need to worry about 5.-2.5 BB. It gets rid of a lot of resteal headaches. (Normally starting at lvl 4+)

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The point is, villains can't tell if you are pot-committed when you simply raise, but not push, with more than 10BB. Maybe you are going to call a push, maybe not. This uncertainty works to your advantage, if you are consistent about it.

But whatever works for you...

[bigt439]

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With only 715 chips at the start of the hand you should just shove that preflop. You don't have enough chips to make a continuation bet after the flop when you hit.

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Best post in the thread.

And it's a great value push too because lots of worse aces will look you up.

[pineapple888]

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With only 715 chips at the start of the hand you should just shove that preflop. You don't have enough chips to make a continuation bet after the flop when you hit.

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Best post in the thread.

And it's a great value push too because lots of worse aces will look you up.

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Uh, yeah. More worse Aces will call a push than a raise. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]