hourly rate and what not

#1 12-13-2005, 11:08 PM

I've been playing a bit of shorthanded $50 NL on PartyPoker and although my sample size is rather small (600 hands), I just got PokerTracker and since it's awesome I'm just curious about what serious players shoot for in terms of hourly rate, BB/hour or BB/100 at this limit. If not this limit, other short handed NL tables.

jsnipes28 · #2 12-13-2005, 11:13 PM

at 50nl you should shoot for at least 7ptbb, preferably something like 9ptbb. You'll find that when ur killing the game for 7-10K stretches of hands you can average towards 15-20ptbb but then after u lose a couple buy-ins it will bring it back down to low teens or 8-10ptbb. You won't really get a good idea of your win rate until after at least 25K hands that include a good-sized downswing and a recovery. So probably more like 30-35K hands.

scrapperdog · #3 12-13-2005, 11:58 PM

I just got tracker today as well. You can import hands. BTW here are my stats boys, feel free to rip me a new one. Only half my hands got read due to eurobet changing over I think.

#4 12-14-2005, 01:02 AM

Definitely raise more pre-flop. VPIP of 16% is OK (kinda tight IMO, but definitely in acceptable range). But PFR of 1.6% is very low. If you are raising only AA, KK and AK, you are losing a lot of value. Please raise TT+ and AQ and loosen up more in later positions.

scrapperdog · #5 12-14-2005, 01:33 AM

Haha I was waiting for someone to say something. Just come out and say I am a rock, it is ok! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Sorry to hijack thread but think this pokertracker is kind of cool and wanted to show that you can import hands. I am assuming the guy is not playing shorthanded 50 NL after 600 hands played.

BTW the site that this is from (pokeroom) has about 75% or maybe more raised pots pre flop so the vast majority of these pots are raised. Just not by me. Party is a different story it is limp city there at the low limits and I would raise more there pre flop if I played there.

Edit... NM I am reading some of this crap wrong, I am new at this.

#6 12-14-2005, 01:43 AM

Well that explains the low PFR a bit, but I still think it should be higher. If people are raising with junk, you can want to re-riase with a good hand.

E.g. villain's PFR is 20%+, I'd reraise with AQo. You probably have him beat and ideally you want to play him heads up post-flop.

scrapperdog · #7 12-14-2005, 01:46 AM

I know I got to work on this, I got my tomato proof suit on cause I was actually expecting a bunch of hell from these stats.

teamdonkey · #8 12-14-2005, 01:57 AM

don't get too caught up in winrates. You will never play enough hands at a level to get a solid idea of what you're really making. You have to play about 100K hands to narrow it down to a 5BB/100 range. For example, if after 100K hands at 25NL you're running at 7BB/100, statistically you can say with 95% accuracy your real win rate is between 4.5 and 9.5 BB/100. That's a lot of hands and still not a tight range. What this says is even over a huge number of hands, luck is an enormous factor and you shouldn't take results so seriously.

Scrapperdog: there is no excuse for a PFR that low. You are absolutely missing out on a ton of value. If most of the pots are already raised, you're doing yourself a huge injustice by not repopping them with strong holdings. Good strategy on a loose table is to tighten up, but you have to be very aggressive when you do play. Which reminds me, your post flop aggression factor is way too low.

scrapperdog · #9 12-14-2005, 02:02 AM

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Scrapperdog: there is no excuse for a PFR that low. You are absolutely missing out on a ton of value. If most of the pots are already raised, you're doing yourself a huge injustice by not repopping them with strong holdings. Good strategy on a loose table is to tighten up, but you have to be very aggressive when you do play. Which reminds me, your post flop aggression factor is way too low.

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I know my PFR sucks but I actually thought my turn and river stats were kind of normal. This past month I have been working on being more agressive on the river with value betting a good but not the nuts hand that in the past I would have checked, mostly thanks to this forum. What would you say a good number is for all of these positions?

teamdonkey · #10 12-14-2005, 02:12 AM

WAY too low was probably an exageration. But you do want to be above 2 on all streets. Especially as tight as you are preflop, your hands have to be good enough to bet/raise with more than you are.

I can't stress enough how much you need to raise more preflop. 5% PFR is still considered very tight 10 handed.