I never know when to fold.

#1 12-04-2005, 03:24 AM

Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
raisethevol posts small blind [$2].
rivercrime posts big blind [$5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to rivercrime [ 6d Ad ]
PANTHER__666 folds.
AJP97 folds.
HCapper calls [$5].
ryskyone folds.
Tenebrion folds.
gypson folds.
applejack8 calls [$5].
Skyar calls [$5].
raisethevol calls [$3].
rivercrime checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, Kd, Kc ]
raisethevol checks.
rivercrime checks.
HCapper checks.
applejack8 bets [$5].
Skyar folds.
raisethevol calls [$5].
rivercrime calls [$5].
HCapper calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
raisethevol bets [$10].
rivercrime calls [$10].
HCapper raises [$20].
applejack8 raises [$30].
raisethevol raises [$30].
rivercrime calls [$30].
HCapper calls [$20].
applejack8 calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
raisethevol bets [$10].
rivercrime calls [$10].
HCapper raises [$20].
applejack8 folds.
raisethevol raises [$20].
rivercrime calls [$20].
HCapper raises [$20].
raisethevol calls [$10].
rivercrime calls [$10].

Did I make a mistake anywhere?

shant · #2 12-04-2005, 03:47 AM

Read the posting guidelines post that is stickied on the main page. Use a converter before posting your hand.

Brash620 · #3 12-04-2005, 03:53 AM

I've got no problem with it.

Harv72b · #4 12-04-2005, 06:44 AM

I don't see a fold, barring a spectacular read on one or more of the guys going to war postflop.

You don't have to answer or you can PM it if you'd prefer, but I'm just curious about what you had in this hand that we played earlier tonight. You're in MP2 and I'm the CO, it was game # 3142191810 on table 71066:

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop:
3 folds, MP2 raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets, MP2 raises, CO 3-bets, MP2 caps, CO calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, CO folds.

Final Pot: 8.70 BB
Main Pot: 7.70 BB, won by MP2.
Pot 2: 1 BB, returned to MP2.

#5 12-04-2005, 07:59 AM

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I don't see a fold, barring a spectacular read on one or more of the guys going to war postflop.

You don't have to answer or you can PM it if you'd prefer, but I'm just curious about what you had in this hand that we played earlier tonight. You're in MP2 and I'm the CO, it was game # 3142191810 on table 71066:

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop:
3 folds, MP2 raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets, MP2 raises, CO 3-bets, MP2 caps, CO calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, CO folds.

Final Pot: 8.70 BB
Main Pot: 7.70 BB, won by MP2.
Pot 2: 1 BB, returned to MP2.

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Are you harv728 on party?

#6 12-04-2005, 08:09 AM

I hate those hand converters and i hate when anyone uses them. They look cheesy and anoying. Anyone who plays on party is should be used to looking at this way. At the very least it is not worse, just extra hassle.

Harv72b · #7 12-04-2005, 02:34 PM

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Are you harv728 on party?

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Harv72c (Harv72b was my Empire account). That harv728 guy confuses even me. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Harv72b · #8 12-04-2005, 02:37 PM

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I hate those hand converters and i hate when anyone uses them. They look cheesy and anoying. Anyone who plays on party is should be used to looking at this way. At the very least it is not worse, just extra hassle.

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The converter makes it a helluva lot easier to follow the action on each street, and as I said in another thread, hides the identity of your opponents in the hand. Like it or not, a lot of people on here will not bother replying to your hand questions if you leave them in raw HH form, and a lot of the replies you do get will be inaccurate because the poster didn't realize the guy who 3-bet the turn was the same one who 3-bet preflop, or that you were getting 18:1 on a flop call.

SackUp · #9 12-04-2005, 02:40 PM

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I hate those hand converters and i hate when anyone uses them. They look cheesy and anoying. Anyone who plays on party is should be used to looking at this way. At the very least it is not worse, just extra hassle.

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Sorry you feel that way, but that is definitely not how we roll here. Conform or you really will not get any responses. Or less than you would at least.

#10 12-04-2005, 03:22 PM

With the ace high flush draw I would lead this flop and hope it gets raised by someone in later position and then 3 bet, you are likely to have a big equity edge and you can pump this flop, and the possibility of folding out a bigger ace and possibly buying outs is always good.

On the turn when the sb leads I would also call not wanting to force people out now that you've made your hand but when it comes back to you 3 bets I think you must begin to consider you may be behind to a full house, but you are getting likely 6-1 with an ace high flush. I think this call is extremely read dependant, that is the only way you can make the call is if you have strong reads that these players are always raising KQ or KJ preflop and they are agressive enough to overplay a flush or trips like this. Against anyone who is relatively passive you can probably fold this to 3 bets.

The river I think you must fold as now anyone with KQ, KJ, K9, the Td, or less likely KK, QQ, JJ or 99 has you beat and with all the turn action it is extremely unlikely that you will see a cheap showdown and that all the opponents hold none of these hands.

Finally use the hand converter and don't make the results so obvious in the topic of your posts.