Can't resist, #2

[Bartholow]

If someone else bet 4th, I'd probably fold.

I sometimes think you are right about check-calling on the river, but I also sometimes checkraise the river to balance things out. And I'm surprised how often people in my games check better hands behind. So I'm not sure overall. Maybe I'll make a thread about that if I find a good hand to post.

[Roland]

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Everyone always mention this, but doesn't mention that the pair while more common is a good deal weaker.

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Exactly. Also, even a loose-aggro type will think twice about re-raising you here with just a small pair in the hole or a 3-flush.
If you get called you have to go figure, but I think the times you catch the loose guy with 77Q or something make up for the times he was just passively calling with queens here, especially since a small pair with a duplicated kicker doesn’t do so well against a higher pair.

9c 9d 4d 189921 37.98 310075 62.02 4 0.00 0.380
7s 7c Qh 137806 27.56 362191 72.44 3 0.00 0.276
5s Ac 5d 172267 34.45 327728 65.55 5 0.00 0.345

9c 9d 4d 202102 40.42 297892 59.58 6 0.00 0.404
7s 7c Qh 156051 31.21 343940 68.79 9 0.00 0.312
5s 6d 5d 141836 28.37 358157 71.63 7 0.00 0.284

Here’s what Bart meantioned. Semi-dead Queens aren’t that great:

9c 9d 4d 165101 33.02 334887 66.98 12 0.00 0.330
7s Qc Qh 186430 37.29 313568 62.71 2 0.00 0.373
5s 6d 5d 148455 29.69 351531 70.31 14 0.00 0.297

Or, if the guy with the 5 fold:

9c 9d 4d 214788 42.96 285212 57.04 0 0.00 0.430
7s Qc Qh 285212 57.04 214788 42.96 0 0.00 0.570

[Andy B]

Taiwan, Thailand, Ticonderoga, who can keep track of these things?

[Andy B]

I favor a limp on third myself. With the limper, your stealing equity is diminished, and the antes are pretty small anyway.

If I decided to complete on third, and I would sometimes, I would probably bet on fourth. Since both of your opponents appear to have caught good, checking along is fine, too.

I would check the river and definitely call. When you check the river, you set the other guy up to bluff, and when you do that, you have to call.

[Andy B]

Tsk, tsk, drinking and posting. What's wrong with you people?

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I bet andyb fears u asa stu d player.

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He's not exactly someone I'd seek out as an opponent.

[Bartholow]

Villain checked behind with just a pair of fives, having started with (9K)Q, 2 flush.

[Jeffage]

I bet the river. A loose opponent will call on the end with a pair bigger than ur board pair and will not raise the end w/o some kinda lock like a full house.

Jeff