(22) 99 in SB, early on.

Raiser · #1 09-23-2005, 09:29 AM

The turn is the part I'm really interested in getting comments on, but as always comments on all streets are welcomed.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t775)
UTG+2 (t760)
MP1 (t855)
MP2 (t340)
MP3 (t775)
CO (t740)
Button (t1405)
Hero (t715)
BB (t725)
UTG (t910)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
6 folds, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t80, BB calls t80, CO calls t80, Button calls t80.

Turn: (t440) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t605 (All-In), BB folds, CO folds, Button calls t605.

River: (t1650) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1650

Raiser · #2 09-23-2005, 11:27 AM

<shameless bump>

Anyone think this hand is okay?

revots33 · #3 09-23-2005, 11:47 AM

I'd probably raise preflop with only 2 limpers ahead of you - you probably have the best hand and at the very least you may knock the BB out. It's tough to play a medium pair on a ragged flop when you allow a bunch of limpers.

I think the all-in on the turn was an overbet considering 4 players called the 80 bet on the flop - I doubt they are all drawing for the flush or straight. Odds are good that at least one of them is trapping there with 2 pair or a set.

I don't go broke with a pair of nines in the first few levels, I don't care if it's an overpair or not.

Raiser · #4 09-23-2005, 11:59 AM

OK, you don't like the push. How do you play the turn?

revots33 · #5 09-23-2005, 12:16 PM

I'd bet about 125, see what happens behind me. If someone comes over the top I fold.

john smith · #6 09-23-2005, 12:42 PM

I don't know if it's correct, but I like the way you played this. I can see BB and CO calling with flush or straight draws and Button deciding to stick around with overs or A-7 or something weird after seeing the pot build up. The turn push looks good, the pot is big enough that I want to take it down right there and if anyone calls with a draw they're obviously making a mistake.

#7 09-23-2005, 12:45 PM

(Edited because I did not notice 4 callers on the flop).
Interesting hand. I think the mistake you made was not betting enough on the flop. That is a flop where you are very likely to have the best hand, but it has many drawing possibilities. With 4 people in, I think you need to bet the pot, or perhaps a little more, to establish your hand and try to take it down right there. I probably would have fired 150 or so. Your move on the turn was probably overly agressive considering the 4 callers. With 4 callers, good chance one is slowplaying a set. Based on his call on the turn, I would probably put him on a set. I probably would have just bet another 150 or so on the turn, if not check, then check folded the river. How did it turn out?

john smith · #8 09-23-2005, 01:03 PM

3 callers.

EnderFFX · #9 09-23-2005, 01:08 PM

You have three callers.
You have bad position.
You bet out on the flop, and everyone calls.

At what point do you think you are ahead? If you throw all your chips in the middle the only people that are going to call you are the people with monster draws, and people that dominate you. And even then the draws may not call you with only one card to go.

You are risking 600 to win 440, with three people yet to act. Your bet looks like desparation, like a draw. Anyone with an overpair, a set, a straight, two pair, is going to call.

Raiser · #10 09-23-2005, 01:56 PM

I agree with a lot of what you say, but saying that I'll only get called by people with monster draws and those that dominate me is a little silly at this level.

I will get called here a lot by someone with A8 or the like. Any overpairs would have likely re-raised me by now considering the coordination of the board. No draw hit on that turn blank.

PUKE, this hand made me uncomfortable. I don't like pushing either, but I didn't, and don't, know how else to play it. I felt my hand was too good to just lay down. Do you bet the turn here?