K4o - Page 2

SeaEagle · #11 11-03-2005, 11:04 AM

Add me to the chorus of folks who don't like the PF call. I like the flop raise but after successfully getting it HU, I definitely would have bet the turn with the idea of a free showdown - you're letting a flush draw/over cards off too cheaply here.

crunchy1 · #12 11-03-2005, 11:09 AM

Are we all noting the investment I've already made and the odds I'm getting? If so - what do you need to be making this call. Or conversely - what's the lowest your going in hand strength to make this call?

toss · #13 11-03-2005, 11:11 AM

PF you're going to be getting somehting like 6:1 - 7:1, 8:1 if you're lucky. I'd start thinking about calling when I'm getting 12:1.

SeaEagle · #14 11-03-2005, 11:24 AM

6-1 isn't enough. I'd need upwards of 12-1, where I'm starting to get enough odds to just flop 2 pair or better. K4o is really a crappy hand and it loses value as more players are added to the hand.

I'd play a lot of hands here, though. About K9o or maybe K8o. Any suited. Offsuit 1 gappers. Etc.

#15 11-03-2005, 11:26 AM

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Hands I call with- J10s-KJs and 77-22
Everything else I 3 bet with against a loose raiser, excluding weak aces.

SeaEagle · #16 11-03-2005, 11:35 AM

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Wow, this is really a narrow range. You won't play, say, 87s here? What's your hand range for calling a raise in the BB w/ 3 or 4 people already in?

#17 11-03-2005, 11:38 AM

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Wow, this is really a narrow range. You won't play, say, 87s here? What's your hand range for calling a raise in the BB w/ 3 or 4 people already in?

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Sorry I left out suited connectors. I haven't slept in like 24 hours.

Add: 65s-910s
a couple double gappers.

ReadyEddie · #18 11-03-2005, 11:46 AM

I think you were tilting...

note: see 82s hand.

crunchy1 · #19 11-03-2005, 11:55 AM

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note: see 82s hand.

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It was permanent tilt then - these 2 hands happened days apart. Just haven't gotten around to posting them.

daveymck · #20 11-03-2005, 11:58 AM

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Just cos you were sitting out and not patient enough to wait for the blinds to come around again does not justify spewing chips the way you did. Its trash total and utterly, more so multiway, if you could isolate to get heads up maybe if your post flop play is good, multiway forget it.