standard postflop after UTG bluff???

cdxx · #1 08-09-2005, 06:46 PM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 7 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5.66 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (7.66 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.66 BB

i mean how many people here haven't tried the UTG raise as a bluff. but after the flop, does it look good?

cdxx · #2 08-09-2005, 06:49 PM

i thought he might be on a smaller flush, but would he cold-call in UTG+1? next posibility for a hand i still beat is 2 pair, AK, or more likely KQ. though his play looks weak-tight to me.

#3 08-09-2005, 06:50 PM

I'd reraise the river, no question about it.

SmileyEH · #4 08-09-2005, 06:51 PM

Limp preflop, raise the river.

-SmileyEH

chief444 · #5 08-09-2005, 06:56 PM

3-bet.

cdxx · #6 08-09-2005, 06:59 PM

thanks. could you share your reasoning? very slim chances for 22 and 77, and no way he'd slow-roll KK-QQ like this?

chief444 · #7 08-09-2005, 07:04 PM

Well, there's more combinations of KQ/K7s/Q7s whatever than KK/QQ/22. 77 seems very unlikely. A worse flush seems pretty likely. Lots of combinations there. AK is possible. Who knows. You're ahead a lot here though. Not 3-betting seems pretty bad IMO. A two is very possible.

#8 08-09-2005, 07:07 PM

Three bet the river. You're facing a worse flush more than half the time. Even if he did manage to hit some sort of weird full house, he probably won't cap it (unless he has quad 2s.)

SeaEagle · #9 08-09-2005, 07:45 PM

Do you have any read on villian? His VPIP and PFR% would be pretty valuable here. A decent player doesn't have a flush and he's not waiting till the turn to raise with anything less than a FH.

On the other hand, a typical party 3/6er...

elena_elphie · #10 08-09-2005, 08:02 PM

It is okay to occasionally make a play like this, but it is much better to do with a hand like 87s than A8s. What you gain here is deception, if an A appears you can easily represent one, and you can win a lot of bets on a dream flop like 77x or even better 965.

Also, there is too much risk you'll end up dominated and out of position here with A8s. Although one benefit of your raise is that you might get AT-AJ to fold, but the donks will call you anyway and be correct to do so in this case.