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Old 11-16-2005, 02:20 PM
me454555 me454555 is offline
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Default Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

I'm usually a tight player and I'm looking for ways to loosen up a little bit pf. A lot of you guys are successful w/a 30/20 style but I can't figure out which hands to add pf and where. Can some of you more successfull LAGTAGs (Soilder, Baronzeus, etc) post a starting hand chart?
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Old 11-16-2005, 02:27 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

me454555,

Just FYI, a lot of people who might be 26/19ish otherwise are 30/20 specifically b/c of how loose they play out of the blinds.

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Old 11-16-2005, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

I'm @ 20/15 so I think i'd like to get up to 23/17 or so. I think figuring out where to add an extra 3% of hands can help the winrate a lil.
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Old 11-16-2005, 02:36 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

What is your ASB?
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Old 11-16-2005, 02:41 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

Overall ~30% but I'm trying on raising it to 35%, I just gotta find the right hands. Right now I follow the standards of MBendahoe's chart. I dont have the link to it but I think its in the FAQ. That chart pretty much gets you to 20/15, not sure where to go from there though.
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Old 11-16-2005, 02:49 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

A huge portion of your VPIP comes from CO, Button, SB, and BB. And, the majority of that is blind stealing and defense.

As for other situations... I will give a few hands I think you can play, which you may or not be playing.

Open raise JTs from MP.
Raise A2s after a limper from CO (and maybe even MP).
Raise K8o after the CO limps.
Limp 64s after 3 limpers (or maybe after 2 if you have the button).
Limp T7s after 3 limpers.
Reraise ATo after an open raise from a somewhat agressive MP (and from almost any CO).
Cold call 22 on the button after a raise and 2 cold calls, or after a limp-limp-raise.
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Old 11-16-2005, 02:44 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

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I'm @ 20/15 so I think i'd like to get up to 23/17 or so. I think figuring out where to add an extra 3% of hands can help the winrate a lil.

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I would just defend more out of the blinds. I have a feeling that this is where you are losing your hands. I used to have your stats and know I am a 24/19. I would read peterrus posts about blind defence. That really expanded my range in defending the blinds. I also raise with any pair, J9o+, Q8o+, A-rag, and K7o+ on the cutoff and button, and loosely follow the starting hand chart that was posted on the forum. I also think that I play to loosely sometimes. I think if you defend more out of the blinds you will be fine.
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Old 11-16-2005, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

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I'm @ 20/15 so I think i'd like to get up to 23/17 or so. I think figuring out where to add an extra 3% of hands can help the winrate a lil.

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I think if you go with MEBenHoe's starting hand chart, you'll get upto 24/17 or thereabouts.
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Old 11-16-2005, 03:41 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

How far out of your way do you go to isolate a loose opponent? I think table selection (in addition to blind stealing and defense) has a lot to do with getting your VPIP/PFR up.

What I mean is, my stats went up when I began being very careful to make sure I am sitting directly to the left of a loose player. Depending on your seat and who is left to act you can really raise with a lot of hands that aren't on the "chart" and still be profitable.

I think Rory made a post a while back saying not to worry so much about your overall stats but pay attention to your hand strength vs. your opponents starting range. If you are sitting to the left of someone who plays 70% of his hands you can raise with just about any two cards higher than 8 if you think there's a decent chance everyone else will fold enough.

If the person on your right raises 30% of their hands you can 3-bet with just about any hand that you would normally see a flop with. Your going to get HU with them quite a bit with a better hand and position.

If you choose the right seats at the right tables and really try to isolate your VPIP and PFR will go up.
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Old 11-16-2005, 04:07 PM
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Default Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?

- stop limping almost completely
- play lots of hands on the button
- steal a lot
- make some loose calls in the blinds
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