Flush Draw Backs Into Set

[2+2 Junkie]

I would call here, I don't think that when he check raises the 4 that it improves you much on the river, but I don't fold trips either. Call here.

[kiemo]

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Can't we come close to ruling out KK/QQ here, which leaves only 55/44?

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I think we can 100% rule out 44!

[Duerig]

I think this is a good place to call the river. If you raise, CO will probably fold unless he has you beat. That means your best case scenario is that CO folds, SB calls and you win 1 extra BB. If you call on the other hand, you encourage CO to call behind you, which nets you the same BB but without the risk of being 3bet.

[Shillx]

Raise. We have 70% equity against his range if the worst hand he can have is Queens and Fives. It is even greater if he can have AA or AK or whatever.

Brad

[aK13]

Raise, and I don't think it's close.

[CourtJester]

Bet, bet, and then raise, and feel good about every street

[shadow29]

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I like the flop.

I would check/call the turn. It's unlikely your 4's are good and I doubt you're going to get both opponents to fold anywhere near often enough.

I would raise the river.

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Correct, and it's not close (except for perhaps the turn, depending on reads). But Flop and River aren't close.

[Buckmulligan]

dont be a vagina. cap this river if given the chance. whats he got, 55? I would go the distance with this one

[ninjaunderwear]

Pre-flop, anybody else not raise this pre-flop? I think it's too strong to fold, and I don't much like open-limping in MP3.

Bet on the flop is for value, anybody have a strong case for check/call here?

I'm not a big fan of check/call on the turn when flopping/chasing a flush draw after raising pre-flop. But, maybe some would consider that spewing. I feel that I have to bet the turn at least 80% of the time, otherwise my flush draw betting pattern becomes apparent to any mildly observant player. Betting also helps to disguise a made hand in the future on a similar flop situation.

When I SB check-raised the turn after calling the flop, I immediately thought he had flopped a K or Q with a weak kicker and could now spring to life after two-pairing on the turn. Clearly, if that were the case, the river card spells trouble for me, drowning in the river whilst my opponent sails off in his boat.

Perhaps someone could expand a little bit on why it is better to check/call the turn.

Also, I'd always been under the impression that set and trips are to be used interchangeably, but apparently not. If I understand correctly, trips = "three of a kind" and set = "trips made with a pocket pair"?

[cold_cash]

I think you need to checkraise the turn more often.

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trips = "three of a kind" and set = "trips made with a pocket pair"?

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Yeah.

You hold 77 and the board is KJ7. You have a set of 7's.

You hold A7 and the board is K77. You have trip 7's.