Misplayed or Unlucky (Or both?)

JNash · #1 10-07-2005, 12:34 AM

Should I have played this faster somewhere along the way?

Party Poker $200 No-Limit Hold'em, $1/2 BB (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 ($92)
Hero ($210)
MP3 ($302.48)
CO ($101.35)
Button ($245.70)
SB ($242.70)
BB ($134.33)
UTG ($239.75)
UTG+1 ($245.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 4 folds, BB calls $5, UTG+1 calls $5.

Flop: ($22) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $15, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $15.

Turn: ($52) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $35, Hero calls $35.

River: ($122) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $50, Hero raises to $100, BB calls allin for $27.33.

Final Pot: $122

Results in white below: 
BB has Ks Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Hero has Qd Qh (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: BB wins $122.

j0wlev · #2 10-07-2005, 12:49 AM

Raise the turn.

juggla · #3 10-07-2005, 12:49 AM

Thats just a hand where u have to take ur medicine.

U Played it fine...

Please Do Not Post BAD BEATS just to CRY!!! [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

j0wlev · #4 10-07-2005, 12:50 AM

He's not crying, just wants a better line. I see you getting it all-in on the flop.

amoeba · #5 10-07-2005, 12:51 AM

you should play it faster for value.
probably wouldn't have changed the outcome and well as you shouldn't.

JNash · #6 10-07-2005, 02:21 AM

My dilemma:
If he's a fish who will go all-in with just an overpair, then I should raise on the turn.
If he's solid and realizes that my raise on the turn means I have him beat, he folds.
Question is: by just calling, can I induce a mistake on the river? If he still only has KK on the river, how likely am I to get extra value from him? If the answer is "slim", then the right play was to protect the turn. But if he might call a value bet on the river, I am correct to give a two-outer a chance to make a mistake.

[the fact that his two outer hit is beside the point -- this is NOT supposed to be a bad beat tale.]

amoeba · #7 10-07-2005, 02:24 AM

if the amount you win extra on the river multiplied by his probability of not hitting the 2 outer is more than the pot * him hitting two outer, then turn call is more ev assuming he folds to a raise 100% of the time.

I just find it rare that he folds to a raise 100% of the time

theres also the rare case of an A hitting the river and killing your action.

Bukem_ · #8 10-07-2005, 02:30 AM

THis guy is gonna be happy to put the money in if you play it fast.

THATWACOKID · #9 10-07-2005, 03:23 AM

your game selection is bad.
bb is so good i wouldnt even think about playing in this game.
-ev.

Lucky · #10 10-07-2005, 03:43 AM

Raise flop. If not, certainly raise turn.