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Old 10-14-2005, 06:37 PM
sean c sean c is offline
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Default Blind steal how would you have played it post flop?

Party 2/4 full. BB villian is TAG over a large sample.

Pre flop: folds to me in CO i raise with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] folds to BB who calls.

Flop(2 players 4.5sb): A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB bets and i call.

Turn(2 players 3bb): 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
BB bets and i call.

River(2 players 5bb): A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
BB bets and i call.
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Old 10-14-2005, 06:39 PM
lautzutao lautzutao is offline
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Default Re: Blind steal how would you have played it post flop?

I like it. If he's bluffing, you're extracting as much as you can. If he's not bluffing you lose the least.
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Old 10-14-2005, 07:26 PM
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Default Re: Blind steal how would you have played it post flop?

Raise the river - he'll call it with lots J's suspecting a bluff and he'd 3-bet you PF with lots of aces.
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Old 10-14-2005, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: Blind steal how would you have played it post flop?

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Raise the river - he'll call it with lots J's suspecting a bluff and he'd 3-bet you PF with lots of aces.

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The river was the only real street i questioned but i still think ther is a strong chance he folds to raise and that i should fold to a three bet. FWIW he was a vey straight foward player. If three bet what would you do?
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Old 10-14-2005, 08:07 PM
lautzutao lautzutao is offline
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Default Re: Blind steal how would you have played it post flop?

And then when it's 3-bet because he pops his bigger ace?
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Old 10-14-2005, 11:20 PM
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Default Re: Blind steal how would you have played it post flop?

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Raise the river - he'll call it with lots J's suspecting a bluff and he'd 3-bet you PF with lots of aces.

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The river was the only real street i questioned but i still think ther is a strong chance he folds to raise and that i should fold to a three bet. FWIW he was a vey straight foward player. If three bet what would you do?

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If 3-bet I muck, but again I think he'll call you with a worse hand more often than he 3-bets in this spot; although it may be close if he's "straightforward" in a "not creative enough to 3-bet a mediocre Ace PF" kind of way.
Lets face it though - if you're villian you're never folding a J or PP to this river raise. Looks too much like a bluff.
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Old 10-15-2005, 02:36 AM
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Default Re: Blind steal how would you have played it post flop?

I always try to apply maths to these problems and get flamed whenever I do BUT I never listen.

Assuming reasonably straight forward villian.

Range Ax, Jx, small - med PP.
I discount and rate AK, AQ AJ JJ as one hand (as all three probably 3 bet preflop.)
I also discount J7 - J2 as one hand (as villian rarely calls the raise.)
Making.
5 A hands beat you. (AT, A9, A8, A5, AJ+)
5 A hands tie. (A7, A6, A4, A3, A2)
6 J hands you beat. (KJ, QJ, JT, J9, J8 <=J7)
2 PP hands that beat you. (88, 55 - I doubt anything else is hanging around - maybe 99, TT but I doubt it)

5% Villian's favour BUT

All bluffs you beat. (T9, KQ)
If he bets and bluffs these hands
10% (2\20) chance he has this hand. He must bluff +50% of the time when he has this hand to get the balance back to EVEN.

BUT
You have to fear a re-raise from A8, A5, 88, 55 taking it back to villian's favour.

I'm going to say CALL.
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