Massive 5-10 pot (QTo)

(Live game)

BB has just recently moved up from 2-5 to 5-10, and seems pretty aggressive on early betting rounds, while usually passive on later rounds. BB is a fairly tight player.

MP4 seems like a fairly quiet and tight player also, and has only been at the table for an orbit or two.

Hero lost to MP4's boat a few hands ago. Hero has been playing for about 16 hours at this point.


Casino Rama $5-$10 Holdem (11-handed)

Hero is MP3 with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Preflop:
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, MP4 calls, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="red"> BB raises </font>, everybody calls.

Flop: (17 sb) Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (9 players) </font>
SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, MP4 calls, Button calls, SB folds, <font color="red">BB 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="red">Hero caps</font>, MP4 calls, Button calls, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (20.5 bb) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (6 players) </font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, <font color="red">MP4 raises</font>, Button folds, BB calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

River: (26.5 bb) 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (3 players) </font>
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP4 bets</font>, BB calls and is all-in, Hero suspects straight and folds.

Hero has to be 96%&lt; sure he is beat to fold the river.

[Nick Royale]

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Hero suspects straight and folds.

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I'm still not sure if this is a joke or not...

[Harv72b]

MP4 probably does have the straight. But if he's got Q8 or AQ or decided to get all fancy with AA or something about 3.5% of the time, you're making a bad fold when closing the action on the river. In a pot this size, you pretty much have to see his hole cards before you can be positive enough to fold for 1 bet.

[lozen]

One more bet with a pot this size I would call. You could be looking at aces or kings. Normally if you fold youll never know weather your right or wrong. ut with the all in youll find out.

[Bill Smith]

This is a disgustingly easy call closing the action. BB is on his last legs so I can't really give him credit for a straight, and while I do suspect that MP4 has you beat, he raised on the turn in a possible attempt to knock out the field.

[Dagger78]

Did you seriously fold top two on this river? 26-1????

Your probably beat by MP4, but you're telling me he doesn't have a smaller(or same) two pair 4% or the time?

I was actually MP4 in this hand and was shocked when MP3 showed his hand to MP2, cursed the straight, and violently tossed his hand into the muck. I wondered momentarily whether his fold is ever good, considering that BB is also in the hand. I think the fact that BB is all-in makes this a call 100% of the time. If BB is not all-in, does it change your answer?

No, easy call

[BigBrother]

I've seen a lot of live players who just hate to put in that last river bet. It boggles my mind.

I'm calling here with my 2-pair.

Sometimes you CAN easily fold, like the other night when I folded a set of 10's to a river c/r in a 3-way pot when the kid's King-Rag flush hit. He's sitting next to me and says he's gonna 'be embarrased to show what he played'. It was obvious he wasn't coffee-housing. My set was certainly not good 4% of the time.

In games where people do weird stuff all the time, it takes a pretty solid read to correctly fold a pot that big.