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Old 11-02-2005, 07:54 PM
felix83 felix83 is offline
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Default Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw

Button was LAGy, table was passive overall. Not sure about this flop play. I thought it would conceal my hand and that I had about enough outs to make it worthwhile.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB
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Old 11-02-2005, 07:58 PM
hobbsmann hobbsmann is offline
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Default Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw

Just call the first raise from button as your equity isn't that great HU and there is very small chance that you still have the best hand. The rest of the hand looks good.
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Old 11-02-2005, 08:02 PM
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Default Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw

is that a no brainer PF call? i wouldn't personally do that but i'm trying to expand my VPIP.
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Old 11-02-2005, 08:05 PM
lionhorse lionhorse is offline
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Default Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw

Button's open-limp on the button is certainly strange, and probably means he's holding AA or KK.

Not a fan of the 3-bet on the flop in this case, but otherwise I think you played ok.

Edit: And the preflop call seems fine
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Old 11-02-2005, 08:07 PM
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Default Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw

Just call the flop raise if you want to get that $.
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Old 11-02-2005, 08:54 PM
W. Deranged W. Deranged is offline
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Default Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw

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Button's open-limp on the button is certainly strange, and probably means he's holding AA or KK.



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No. It probably means he's an idiot.
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Old 11-02-2005, 09:22 PM
lionhorse lionhorse is offline
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Default Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw

Ok, maybe not with 50% certainty, but I'm inclined to think the button is trying to get tricky if he open limps on the button when he is LAGy. This actually happened to me the other day when I held TT in the BB and got reraised.
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Old 11-02-2005, 09:48 PM
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Default Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw

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is that a no brainer PF call? i wouldn't personally do that but i'm trying to expand my VPIP.

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Pretty standard I think. 4:1 immediate pot odds to see a flop.
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Old 11-02-2005, 09:49 PM
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Default Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw

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Button's open-limp on the button is certainly strange, and probably means he's holding AA or KK.


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It's certainly possible, but I think it's far from probable. It's more likely that he's generally confused about poker.
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Old 11-02-2005, 09:51 PM
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Default Re: Bottom Pair + Fl. Draw

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No. It probably means he's an idiot.

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No, when a lag open-limps there, I have to agree it indicates a very big hand a lot of the time. It has no bearing on whwther or not he is indeed an idiot.
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