JJ - think i'm a tight passive!!!! GASP!

Felipe · #1 05-22-2005, 01:17 PM

trying to work off my raked hands for free chips. I'm playing at Absolute poker for 300 hands (or 2,000, if I want the full bonus [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) I raised preflop, standard, with JJ. Is this a good definition of selective passivity? Was this passive play?

Absolute Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (21 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB raises, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.
I called on the flop to raise on the turn (protect my hand on 4th street). Thoughts? 

Turn: (15.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

4th street is where things went south! I could have bet on the turn, or after checking and seeing the button bet, i could ch-raised. Thoughts..?

River: (20.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button folds.

 Straight on board (fear - the mind killer!)

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

bigalt · #2 05-22-2005, 01:35 PM

I'm either raising this flop to try to slow down the action or just dumping it now. I wouldn't mind showing this down if I could do so for cheap but given how much betting there is so far I'm doubtful.

I wouldn't check-raise the turn here, since you're not facing anybody with 2 cold and I'd just like this hand to be over already.

There's no new straight on the board come the river, but at this point it looks to me like SB might be stacked-- again I'm just calling.

Nfinity · #3 05-22-2005, 01:44 PM

Ugh.
Reads on BB would help.

Flop: What exactly are you planning on protecting this hand from on the turn? All you did was give ppl behind you better odds on their draws. BB is representing a better hand than you, so I think your only options are 3-bet or fold. With no reads, I'd probably lean more towards folding in theory, but would probably end up 3-betting and re-evaluating the Turn.

Turn: A check-raise accomplishes nothing here.

River: If you were fearing straights you should have folded the flop.

Marc Desjardins · #4 05-22-2005, 02:08 PM

Anybody just fold preflop after it's capped? Unless of course the two player are known to be super aggressive...

bigalt · #5 05-22-2005, 02:10 PM

we've got a pot-oddsish call to the set on that cap, so i don't think we can fold. but it does suck that what would normally be an ideal flop is scary.

TomBrooks · #6 05-23-2005, 12:21 AM

I've got a bad feeling about this preflop. I think I like to fold here and fight another day.

Hero has an overpair to the flop but it looks like someone else might also and it seems likely to be a bigger pair.

milesdyson · #7 05-23-2005, 12:30 AM

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I've got a bad feeling about this preflop. I think I like to fold here and fight another day.

Hero has an overpair to the flop but it looks like someone else might also and it seems likely to be a bigger pair.

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Folding this preflop is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-
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Aaron W. · #8 05-23-2005, 12:57 AM

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I've got a bad feeling about this preflop. I think I like to fold here and fight another day.

Hero has an overpair to the flop but it looks like someone else might also and it seems likely to be a bigger pair.

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After UTG caps, there are 13 small bets in the pot. There's likely to be 20 in the pot by the time preflop action is over (including when you call the cap). You're not really going to give up on 18:2 = 9:1 with a pocket pair, are you?

In general, once you enter a pot with a pocket pair, you're going to be seeing a flop.

no1super2001 · #9 05-23-2005, 12:59 AM

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I've got a bad feeling about this preflop. I think I like to fold here and fight another day.

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What? No way.

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but it does suck that what would normally be an ideal flop is scary.

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Forgive the political incorrectness here, but if these retards 3 bet and capped with 3's, 4's, 5's, A2, 2-6, 6-7 or worse, 3 bet this flop.

If you are beaten, don't even get up from this table to go to the bathroom as long as they are spewing chips. Rest assured the day of the dog is coming.

I don't think a checkraise is going to cause anyone to fold on the turn. Although, apparently the button thinks he can steal this pot. Perceptive player.

Aaron W. · #10 05-23-2005, 01:03 AM

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trying to work off my raked hands for free chips. I'm playing at Absolute poker for 300 hands (or 2,000, if I want the full bonus [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) I raised preflop, standard, with JJ. Is this a good definition of selective passivity? Was this passive play?

Absolute Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (21 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB raises, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.
I called on the flop to raise on the turn (protect my hand on 4th street). Thoughts? 

Turn: (15.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

4th street is where things went south! I could have bet on the turn, or after checking and seeing the button bet, i could ch-raised. Thoughts..?

River: (20.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button folds.

 Straight on board (fear - the mind killer!)

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

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You've got to fire on that turn. A free card is a terrible thing to offer, you got the type of card you wanted, and the checks probably indicate things like AK/AQ more often than AA-QQ.

SB doesn't have the straight unless he's superdonk. More importantly, anyone who made a straight already had the straight (you donk!). With so many callers in between the two of you, a raise isn't a bad idea (mistakes are mitigated by the players trapped between).