400nl AK turn decision vs. deep opponent - Page 3

Leptyne · #1 12-19-2005, 04:14 PM

Looks to me like a cagey move designed for you to take him off a flush draw. If he c/c and hits the flush on the river you might not call or could check behind. I don't want to play a big pot with TPTK either. Passive players are tough to read.

But you're tough to read too. And you have position. UTG doesn't want to lose his stack either. I think a smooth call will show weakness and lead to a larger river bet even if the flush doesn't show, except that you don't say anywhere in your analysis of him that you've seen him make a move. If you've been calling his raises liberally in the past I think I'd do the same here and see what the river brings. Since you've got position you'll have better opportunities to get a piece of this guy.

Until I see him make a move I'm going to assume he's got the goods when he brings it on the river.

sdplayerb · #2 12-19-2005, 04:17 PM

I just flat call here. He doesn't sound the type to make a real bluff at it twice.
You said you don't want to fold, and also don't want to get too much in there, which makes sense with the stack sizes.
thus I just call.

Riverman · #3 12-20-2005, 02:41 PM

My standard play here is to make it about 350 and not put another penny in after that. I dont know if this is good or not, just what I do.

FreakDaddy · #4 12-21-2005, 04:33 AM

Flat call and call a reasonable river bet. I don't think it's wise to raise and stick more money in with TPTK. I would love for someone to convince me this is the best line. I think when you flat call and keep the pot 'small', you have a better chance of getting to a showdown for a reasonable pot size.

#5 12-21-2005, 06:53 AM

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Yeah, if he has a worse hand than you on the river

You think he's slows down on the river with 2 pair + ? Also, if you call, the pot on the river is $340, so a decent bet from him is $200-$300, whereas a turn raise from you can be $150-$200 more. So I say that raising the turn is cheaper when you are behind

Lucky · #6 12-21-2005, 05:39 AM

With that flop, I'd make it 60 on flop, planning to check turn, and play poker on river. If he calls 60, bringing the pot to 180 and comes at me with a 140 bet, i can fold.

I'm all for 2/3 type bets on flop, with the right flop, position, etc. This wasnt it tho, IMHO.

As you played it, tough decision, I may call here.

AllIn3High · #7 12-28-2005, 02:05 PM

Forgot i posted this before I left for holidays.

I suspect this hand might be too read-based... I had a fairly good read on this player after playing lots of pots with him and generally paying good attention. I should have gone with my read and raised the turn to something like ~$275 and not put in any more money -- as a sort of pre-emptive blocking bet/ protecting my hand against a draw. I wouldn't like to face a pot bet on most rivers since he could be holding a lot of draws.

In the hand I thought for a short while and called.

River: ($340) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $350

I thought for a while, at this point I got a gut-feeling telling me probably wouldn't bet a missed draw here, but he might have a king... I dunno... i used my timer and then folded. He showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Yuck.

TY for the responses.

amoeba · #8 12-28-2005, 02:28 PM

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Forgot i posted this before I left for holidays.

I suspect this hand might be too read-based... I had a fairly good read on this player after playing lots of pots with him and generally paying good attention. I should have gone with my read and raised the turn to something like ~$275 and not put in any more money -- as a sort of pre-emptive blocking bet/ protecting my hand against a draw. I wouldn't like to face a pot bet on most rivers since he could be holding a lot of draws.

In the hand I thought for a short while and called.

River: ($340) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $350

I thought for a while, at this point I got a gut-feeling telling me probably wouldn't bet a missed draw here, but he might have a king... I dunno... i used my timer and then folded. He showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Yuck.

TY for the responses.

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I don't think you should beat yourself up for failing to protect against a 2 outer. although you should consider whether this guy is overbetting a heart river as well.

TheWorstPlayer · #9 12-28-2005, 04:34 PM

Raise, fold to a 3-bet, check behind on river. I'm only just getting to this long thread now and have only read OP so sorry if this is just repetition.

Edit: OK, I read the thread now and completely agree with the people who say to raise and not put in another dime. It protects against draws (5 outers are very likely here and they are worth protecting against if it's not going to cost you anything, which it won't in this case) and it gets good value from weaker kings without exposing your entire stack. And if he played a monster tricky like this, he will often try to c/r the river to complete the coup de grace.

And a bet that can fold a better hand or get called by a worse hand is called a "two way bet" not a "semi-bluff kinda".