Is Nothing Possible?

[Lestat]

The concept of nothing is difficult, if not impossible, for me to contemplate.

I'm not talking about nothing as in a blank sheet or if you look out the window and there are no buildings or trees. I'm not talking about an empty pitch dark room. I'm not even talking about the non-existence of earth or even the stars. What I mean is ... absolutely NOTHING! No earth, no stars, no space, no God or creator, no thoughts, no universe, no laws of physics... NOTHING! Nothing exists. There is NOTHING.

I ask you to really think about this. Meditate on it. Even the concept of nothing is something. So I'm asking you to imagine nothing and then suspend that imagination for even that is something.. Until you arrive at NOTHING!! NOTHING exists!

I question whether nothing is even possible and this is why I'm agnostic and recognize the possibility of a creator or even an omnipotent God. I just cannot imagine the reality of NOTHING, because even the reality of nothing is something!

[Borodog]

By your definition of "nothing," the absence of the entire Universe, no "nothing" is not possible. It is not possible because the Universe can be observed to exist. Not sure what you're point is.

[Lestat]

According to our current laws of physics, the universe didn't always exist and won't always continue to exist. So without a universe, what's left?

[Borodog]

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According to our current laws of physics, the universe didn't always exist and won't always continue to exist. So without a universe, what's left?

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First of all, there is nothing in modern physics that claims the Universe will ever cease to exist. It's been a couple of years since I worked in the field, but I think I would have heard about something like that.

Second, physics does not and cannot answer questions about things external to our Universe (and that includes the temporal sense), since they are unobservable.

So we cannot state that "before" (I put this in quotes because time is part and parcel of the observable Universe, so it really doesn't ever make sense to talke about a "time" "before" the beginning of the Universe) there was "nothing." We do not know and can never know.

I don't see how nothing could pop into existence from nothing.

[Borodog]

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I don't see how nothing could pop into existence from nothing.

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So what?

[Mroberts3]

seems like the problems stems from the way humans think. We love to make analogies so when we think of "nothing" we first think blank sheet of paper, well how about space... theres nothing there. but there is you realize, space is something, therefore its not nothing. I guess this is a roundabout way of saying that the unverise encapsulates all space and time, what is outside of the universe or what came before it is asking the wrong question. its like saying the answer to a calculus problem is a passage from a poem.the TRUE nothing is what is not in the unverise, but since we have no experience and no way of conceptualizing that fact our tiny brains keep spinning with no tracting trying to find something (no pun intended) to hold on to.

[RJT]

Better stop thinking this way, Stat. You are going to start turning into one of "us".

All kidding aside, I think this is where I start. I can't imagine nothing - the nothing before the universe was born -if it didn't always exists. I decide on God and go from there.

RJT

[Trantor]

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Better stop thinking this way, Stat. You are going to start turning into one of "us".

All kidding aside, I think this is where I start. I can't imagine nothing - the nothing before the universe was born -if it didn't always exists. I decide on God and go from there.

RJT

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I can't imagine nothing - the nothing before the universe was born -if it didn't always exists. I decide on God and go from there.


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Translation: Humans have no experience with "nothing" before the universe, so I choose to invent a Santa Claus-like figure to conveniently answer all these unknowns.