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Old 03-30-2005, 03:47 PM
fsuplayer fsuplayer is offline
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Default Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set

party PL1000

i have 2500 to start the hand and villian has about 2350.

everyone limps including me in the CO with black 44.

Blinds checks.

flop: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I bet 50 after a series of disappointing checks.

folded to BB who CR's to $200 straight. the rest fold.

whats the plan?

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Old 03-30-2005, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set

I dont mean to hijack the post or anything but what would you guys do with AA [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] here also?

i guess thats a pretty bad question cuz you wouldnt of limped here but i think with AA [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] good arguments can be made for folding, calling, raising
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Old 03-30-2005, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set

Assuming you limped with it after several limpers on the button preflop?
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Old 03-30-2005, 04:00 PM
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Default Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set

yeah sorry i noticed that before i even read your response i edited it
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Old 03-30-2005, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set

Call. Half the deck sucks on the turn. See what he does on the turn based on the card. I'm still more inclined to call down, unless the turn is a 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or the equivalent. Even if the turn is scary, based on teh size of the pot, size of his bets, you will probably still have the odds to see if you can fill up on the river. I don't think this is a bigger set...why would Villain check-raise, maybe top 2? Could really be anything, I guess you will just get a better idea based on the turn. Any reads on villain?
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Old 03-30-2005, 04:04 PM
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Default Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set

yes i forgot to include that. he is a 20/5, which means a little too tight, and too passive pf. cant remember his agg. #'s though.

he's a reg. and I have play a bunch of hands with him, but i dont remember him, so he flys low and doesnt play bad, or aggressive that i have seen.

edit: flop agg. = 2 ish, which is normal i think.
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Old 03-30-2005, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set

You should post the turn play. I feel like the flop is easy (folding is way too weak, reraising will only get called by a set of T or 9 since he is 20/5, so what other option is there?)What happens on the turn is a lot more difficult, i.e. diamond, Q, J, T, 9...or like I said before, if the turn is a 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and he leads for the full pot or 3/4....
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Old 03-30-2005, 04:11 PM
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Default Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set

fair enough.

Turn: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

villian thinks and checks.
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Old 03-30-2005, 04:14 PM
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Default Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set

[ QUOTE ]
fair enough.

Turn: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

villian thinks and checks.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's one ugly turn card.
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Old 03-30-2005, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set

it seems villian is very unlikely to be checkraising a draw on the flop unless he's just getting out of line trying to take it down.

I don't think he can rule out you having a draw though, since you have good implied odds to call his flop raise and I assume you'll bet lots of hands in last position, lots of good things can happen betting draws on the flop last to act (free card, win pot now, etc).

it's a tough hand because villian can have anything in BB, but in terms of card combos he will have 9T more often than 99/TT. my vote is 300-350 on the turn. I think it is very hard for him to raise you with two pair and the board is only going to get scarier for both of you.

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