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#21
11-22-2005, 06:51 PM
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Re: 50+5 Hand w/ 2+2\'r...argument insued
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As big stack, I'd be kind of indifferent here between a fold and a 70-30 advantage. Either way is good for me (although losing the 70-30 isn't so great). [/ QUOTE ] I don't understand how you could even be indifferent. With the blinds this high, how much better of an opportunity are you waiting to have? [/ QUOTE ] Huh? We're talking about the big stack here. Opponent folds, I get some chips, and the bubble continues. Opponent calls, I have a good shot at getting more chips, but then the bubble would end, and meanwhile I could lose chips also. [/ QUOTE ] I understand that we're talking about the big stack. I don't understand being 'indifferent'. I am begging for him to call, and I am DEFINITELY begging him to call if I know he has A10. [/ QUOTE ] Jeez, guys. Fine, here's the math. Folds, you win $750. Calls, you are 70% to win 1510, and 30% to lose 1260, equals $679. Still like the call? [/ QUOTE ] If he folds, you win 500? [/ QUOTE ] Plus SB of 250. [/ QUOTE ] If you include your own chips in your equation. That's fine. But then the rest of your numbers are off. Because then your trying to win 2520 chips. 
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#23
11-22-2005, 06:53 PM
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Re: 50+5 Hand w/ 2+2\'r...argument insued
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If I had it my way, I would never get called on the bubble again. If I have the big stack on the bubble and people are willing to fold to death, PLEASE dont let thhem call me at all unless it is my AA against A2 or some [censored]. Like I said, i'd much rather pushbot the table to wherre I have 8k chips than take the 6k chips now. [/ QUOTE ] I think I may begin to understand this more if the blinds were lower. But with the blinds that high, it's so much of a pushbot crapshoot anyway...I could never pass up a 70/30.
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#24
11-22-2005, 06:53 PM
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Re: 50+5 Hand w/ 2+2\'r...argument insued
Another point though. My instincts tell me to call here with AT when 500 of my 1260 is in the BB. Is that wrong?
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#25
11-22-2005, 06:54 PM
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Re: 50+5 Hand w/ 2+2\'r...argument insued
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Another point though. My instincts tell me to call here with AT when 500 of my 1260 is in the BB. Is that wrong? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, this was covered in one of the earlier posts as another reason to call.
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#26
11-22-2005, 06:56 PM
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Re: 50+5 Hand w/ 2+2\'r...argument insued
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Another point though. My instincts tell me to call here with AT when 500 of my 1260 is in the BB. Is that wrong? [/ QUOTE ] not if you want any chance of finishing higher than 3rd... easy call...
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#28
11-22-2005, 07:04 PM
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Re: 50+5 Hand w/ 2+2\'r...argument insued
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If he folds, you win 500? [/ QUOTE ] Plus SB of 250. [/ QUOTE ] If you include your own chips in your equation. That's fine. But then the rest of your numbers are off. Because then your trying to win 2520 chips. [/ QUOTE ] Doh! I thought he was the button. Sorry about that. So you lose a little less when you lose, works out to +754cEV, vs. 750 for a fold. Still doesn't change my argument that this is basically neutral.
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#30
11-22-2005, 07:29 PM
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Re: 50+5 Hand w/ 2+2\'r...argument insued
im not even gonna bother reading this thread. its the easiest problem in the world. debbster has an AUTOCALL here. luckyjoker can eat an ENTIRE round of blinds before it gets back around to debb again, who will be down to 510 and lucky has 10. after posting a bb he deb will have 10 as well as lucky, and it will be a toss up. i would MUCH rather get my chips in against jcardshark who i know is shoving damn near any 2 and i ahve AT. also, he runs worse than anyone so i can always suck out. holla
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