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Old 10-17-2005, 05:55 PM
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Default Re: Commerce 10/20 - Unexciting Fold

Supose you make it $500 on the flop, I'm guessing your folding to a re raise by either one, right? So I like folding, or calling a lot more.
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Old 10-17-2005, 06:24 PM
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Given the range of possible holdings between both players, I'd guess that you're at best a small favorite, and at worst a big underdog, and so folding is a pretty reasonable decision. Assuming you have the small blind beat, then even if the first position player has a hand like A-K of spades, you're only a marginal favorite. But, I think you should be more wary of the small blind than anything else. Do you think he is likely to lead out into this player without a hand which can beat a high pair? Most players give some respect to first position raises, so I would suspect he is either semi-bluffing or flopped a big hand and doesn't want to give a free card while hoping he gets raised by the player in first position. Do you think he's capable of semi-bluffing a flop like this when he's likely to get raised? I think it fundamentally depends on how aggressive the player in the small blind is.

I think you would have to put each player on a fairly limited range of hands in order to justify this call (e.g., small blind on a small overpair, and assuming he's decent, I'd doubt he'd lead out without having hit a set, or semi-bluff and first position player on two high spades, probably A-K).
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Old 10-17-2005, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: Commerce 10/20 - Unexciting Fold

reraising preflop makes this hand so much easier to play.
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Old 10-17-2005, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: Commerce 10/20 - Unexciting Fold

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I would almost never make that fold in a live game.

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Old 10-17-2005, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: Commerce 10/20 - Unexciting Fold

So am I to assume you are generally just calling there - or you would normally be raising. I know it depends, but what is more likely for you?
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Old 10-17-2005, 07:24 PM
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Default Re: Commerce 10/20 - Unexciting Fold

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I would almost never make that fold in a live game.

[/ QUOTE ]me neither... really dont like it.
BTW/ hope you didnt tell these guys you mucked a hand that beat TT!
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Old 10-17-2005, 07:30 PM
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Default Re: Commerce 10/20 - Unexciting Fold

Yeah - I told them I mucked A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Thanks for your contribution.
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Old 10-17-2005, 07:41 PM
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Default Re: Commerce 10/20 - Unexciting Fold

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Yeah - I told them I mucked A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Thanks for your contribution.

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now, now children.
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Old 10-17-2005, 07:50 PM
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Default Re: Commerce 10/20 - Unexciting Fold

i am not folding this without some sick read giving me a reason to.

i am not often calling this as it is very possible im going to be put in a very rough spot on the turn against two players, even with position.

i make it 400 straight to go on the turn, making the hand much easier for me to play, and prevents me from folding a hand that has a good chance of being much the best.

what would have been interesting would have been both sb's TT and utg's 99 reaction to your flop raise.
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Old 10-17-2005, 08:00 PM
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Default Re: Commerce 10/20 - Unexciting Fold

I don't know if you'd consider this result interesting, but they both would have folded.
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