PLO8 hand

[jthegreat]

At what point do I know I'm beat?

***** Hand History for Game 2659620339 *****
$25 PL Omaha Hi/Lo - Monday, September 05, 17:01:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 37027 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Discraider ( $23.10 )
Seat 2: Apachedog98 ( $20.54 )
Seat 3: gorman321 ( $7.75 )
Seat 6: esollliwu ( $33.64 )
Seat 7: jackhmr ( $51.46 )
Seat 8: OrdinaryFly ( $12.94 )
Seat 9: Maolinn ( $24.75 )
Seat 10: Kharisma ( $26.65 )
Seat 5: bse2800 ( $23.90 )
Seat 4: poseidonbkk ( $24.75 )
Maolinn posts small blind [$0.10].
Discraider posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Maolinn [ Ah 2d Ad 9c ]
Kharisma has left the table.
>You have options at Table 37592 Table!.
Apachedog98 folds.
gorman321 calls [$0.25].
poseidonbkk calls [$0.25].
bse2800 folds.
esollliwu folds.
jackhmr calls [$0.25].
OrdinaryFly calls [$0.25].
Maolinn raises [$1.65].
Discraider folds.
gorman321 folds.
poseidonbkk calls [$1.50].
jackhmr folds.
OrdinaryFly folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, 3c, 6s ]
houding has joined the table.
Maolinn bets [$4.30].
poseidonbkk calls [$4.30].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
>You have options at Table 37592 Table!.
Maolinn bets [$2].
poseidonbkk raises [$6].
Maolinn calls [$4].
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]
>You have options at Table 37592 Table!.
Maolinn checks.
poseidonbkk is all-In [$12.70]
Maolinn is all-In [$12.70]
Maolinn shows [ Ah, 2d, Ad, 9c ] a pair of aces.
Maolinn shows 6,4,3,2,A for low.
poseidonbkk shows [ 8c, As, 7h, 5s ] a straight, four to eight.
poseidonbkk shows 5,4,3,2,A for low.
poseidonbkk wins $24 from the main pot with a straight, four to eight.
poseidonbkk wins Lo ($24) from the main pot with 5,4,3,2,A.
>You have options at Table 37217 Table!.

[Chamonyx]

..after the reraise on the turn

[jthegreat]

Ok thanks. It never fails no matter what game I'm playing. If I'm heads up, I'm going to lose. They always get whatever they need to beat me.

[TGoldman]

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Ok thanks. It never fails no matter what game I'm playing. If I'm heads up, I'm going to lose. They always get whatever they need to beat me.

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You have the wrong attitude for PLO/8. A total of $48 was put into the pot. The villain invested about $1.75 when he was about a 2:1 dog, and then succeeding in extracting $4.30 when you had 38% equity, $6 when you had 2% equity and the rest of your stack when you were dead on the river. Yes, you were somewhat unlucky to get outflopped, but you need to take responsibility for your awful play post-flop.

[gergery]

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Ok thanks. It never fails no matter what game I'm playing. If I'm heads up, I'm going to lose. They always get whatever they need to beat me.

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You have the wrong attitude for PLO/8. A total of $48 was put into the pot. The villain invested about $1.75 when he was about a 2:1 dog, and then succeeding in extracting $4.30 when you had 38% equity, $6 when you had 2% equity and the rest of your stack when you were dead on the river. Yes, you were somewhat unlucky to get outflopped, but you need to take responsibility for your awful play post-flop.

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Excellent reply.

Personally, I'd have given it up on the flop. Maybe 1 stab at it at most then fold.

[Wintermute]

On the turn, either bet the max and fold to a raise, or check. Putting in a weak bet just invites the other guy to outplay you or give you the impression that he may be outplaying you, which puts you at a serious disadvantage. In general, I would not get into the habit of making these weak bets unless you're trying to tempt an over-aggressive player into trying to push you off a monster.

(BTW, I like the way you played this hand up until the turn. Personally, without any reads, I'd check-call the turn and perhaps the river, too. But I wouldn't lead into an unknown player.)

[Ribbo]

Check fold the flop to any pot bet. Pretty simple. That flop is as bad as it gets.

[Ribbo]

You've committed such an insignificant amount of money to this hand that soon as that flop comes, there is no reason to continue with the hand. You have a draw to half a pot, plus anyone with 45 is scooping you straight off. A4 and A5 have draws to scoop you. What you need to realise is that soon as that flop hits AA2 went from being a made hand, to a drawing hand.

[GooperMC]

If I think the opponent is decent and knows how to fold I will take a stab at the flop (he probably has an A2/A3 that just got counterfeit) but as soon as he calls my flop bet I am done with this hand.

As bad flops go for your hand this is at the very top.

[emptyshell]

With that flop, I think check/fold is the best line. There are too many hands that will call a pot size bet. Taking one stab at the pot on the flop is not horrible, but then you have to totally give up after you are called.