Some unconventional ways to identify loosing players

[Michael Davis]

I haven't taken the time to figure it out, but the following is true: Assuming 10 hands go to showdown, AA wins 31% of the time, whereas JTs wins only 16%. I know it is still theoretically possible for JTs to have a better EV here, but I think the odds are stacked quite heavily against it being true. AA is a remarkably strong hand. JTs is a non-starter.

-Mike

[TimTimSalabim]

Well, it's a controversial topic. As you point out, it is theoretically possible for AA to win many more pots and still have a lower EV. The reason, of course, is because you're going to fold JTs when the flop misses it, whereas you're going all the way to the river with AA unless you have a good reason not to.

Perhaps someone can post some simulation results to settle it, but I do believe that given a loose enough game, JTs has a higher EV.

[mikelow]

Since I'm a lo(o)sing poker player, my habits have included:

1. Looking at the first card as it's dealt.
2. I always stack 20 chips per stack.
3. In 4-8 chip games, raising by shoving a stack less four chips.
4. Moaning about bad cards.
5. Many others.

[Ulysses]

OK, mike, here are some things I often do...

Look at my two cards as soon as I get them.
Tip the dealer more than $1.
Have a few drinks at the table.
Fumble around trying to get the right number of chips out.
Watch sports instead of focusing on the game.

I'm sure I'll think of plenty more "non-winning" traits I have.

[Soh]

Yeah, I ment to say losing players.
My excuse is when I thought about this post, I was thinking loose bad players, loose players, loose, loose...

By the way. the other thing that I believe is they are very superstitious.

Soh

[mike l.]

the way i identify a losing player is if i see someone sitting at a table in a cardroom playing hold em i assume they are a losing player. im nearly always correct.

[Kevin J]

But in a very loose 10-handed game, there are other hands that have a higher EV (JTs for example).

There is no hand with a higher EV than AA. Regardless of the game.

If this is one of your impressions of a losing player I'd love to see you in my table when the regulars cheer my arrival.

[David]

I would say that this is the most reliable way to determine a losing player. About 90% correct without ever seeing them play a hand.