Lay that down?

[xenthebrain]

Would you lay that down here? No reads

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, Hero ?

[yellowjack]

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Would you lay that down here?

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Yes, but I quit.

[milesdyson]

Immediately you're getting 16.75:2, but button is either going to call or reraise, in which case you'll be getting 16.75:2 or 18.75:3, respectively. 18.75:3 is 6.25:1. You have 4 outs (button could have KK here, though). I think UTG+1 clearly has a flush. With 4 outs you need 10.5:1 here, meaning you will need to make up 4+ bets on the river if you do improve. I think it is really close, but maybe the chance of a button KK pushes it to a fold. not sure.

i think if the turn were the 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] i would call here.

[DMBFan23]

yes easy fold

[Dave G.]

It's probably going to get capped behind you. If the board pairs, If you do improve, I'm not sure you can make up enough in implied odds to make this +EV. Occasionally you will improve and still lose to KK or 77.

So yes I'd fold, and I'd have a kitten nearby ready to kick when the 5 or 7 does fall.

[Fantam]

This looks very much like UTG+1 has made a flush draw.

I dont think his 3-bet into both you and the PF raiser is a bluff, given your combined flop and turn agression.

If you made a full-house on the river, I think that you would still need to pick up another 4 bets or more to make your turn call profitable. (The turn pot was offering you ~ 8:1 to call, and the odds on hitting one of your 4 outs was ~ 10.5:1)

So I would have folded on the turn, as I dont think that you would have been likely to make the extra bets required on the river, to make your call profitable, if you made your hand.

[xenthebrain]

Here's the rest of the hand

Turn: (9.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: (18.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 calls $1 (All-In), Button calls.

Final Pot: 20.75 BB

Results below:
UTG+1 has Kc 6c (one pair, kings).
Button has Kd Ah (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins 20.75 BB.

Do you think there was collusion involved?

The guy who was all-in left after that and the other one stayed but didn't play like a maniac anymore...

[Aaron W.]

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Here's the rest of the hand

Turn: (9.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: (18.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 calls $1 (All-In), Button calls.

Final Pot: 20.75 BB

Results below:
UTG+1 has Kc 6c (one pair, kings).
Button has Kd Ah (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins 20.75 BB.

Do you think there was collusion involved?

The guy who was all-in left after that and the other one stayed but didn't play like a maniac anymore...

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Nah, doesn't look like collusion. Both villains had something going for them and were just a little too aggressive.

UTG+1 flopped an OESD and hit his overcard pair. He was low on money, so decided to go for the limit all-in move.

And while Button's play is a little overaggressive, it's not so absurd. AK raises preflop, raises what appears to be a little steal, caps for a free card -- yes, people think that -- and then hit his hand with the nut flush redraw on the turn.