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Old 05-22-2005, 05:41 AM
Niwa Niwa is offline
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Default KK

Villain is a tight player who has not made much noise for a few orbits.

Stacks:
Hero has 167xBB
Villain has 80xBB (UTG)

Hero gets dealt: K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Villain is UTG and raises 4xBB. I just call as I am directly after him. Button calls, blinds fold.

Flop: J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG bets pot, I flatcall, button folds.

Turn: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG: bets 1/4 the pot. Hero?
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Old 05-22-2005, 09:31 AM
jkkkk jkkkk is offline
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Default Re: KK

pre-flop, i raise

flop i raise

turn i raise

honestly, how are you going to define his hand if you don't raise?

i mean by the turn here, i could put villain on any number of hands...

missed ak.. aa, qq, 10's?

call pre-flop isn't so bad in this spot i guess, but a raise on the flop is probably the best way to go about it.
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Old 05-22-2005, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: KK

Agreed, a raise on the flop is needed... The PF call is ok given the position.
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Old 05-22-2005, 01:10 PM
Rotating Rabbit Rotating Rabbit is offline
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Default Re: KK

I disagree with the advice above.

The best line is check-call all the way down, value bet the river if checked to, folding to a check raise. This is a way-ahead way-behind situation.

This board is about as scary as a cheese sandwich, the only reason to raise the flop is to avoid an AK/AQ sucking out. But if this is the case with only 3 aces left its only about 6%, ie disregard it. By raising you'll possibly lose double on every street against AA and JJ if you're behind, and you'll probably win LESS off QQ; on this drawless board he's not liking QQ if you raise, and a good player would fold it...or certainly not give you as much action on later streets.

And remember that if he has AK/AQ, he's got almost as much chance as much chance of hitting his kicker to then lose a load, as he has to hit his A.
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Old 05-22-2005, 06:13 PM
-Skeme- -Skeme- is offline
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Default Re: KK

[ QUOTE ]
I just call as I am directly after him.

[/ QUOTE ]

Why do you say as I am directly after him? Are you under the impression that you should be more inclined to reraise with Kings in later positions?
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