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#1
12-09-2005, 01:46 PM
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Re: Curtains Hand #2
I don't understand the call on the flop.
Villain is either really behind or ahead. An 8 isn't plausible here as he re-raised you preflop. Possible he sucked you in with a high pair and if that's the case hero is screwed. However, he either can have a middle pair or two high cards as well and if that's the case I like defining the hand here. The turn will just bring more trouble to hero. If a diamond or any of the three high cards come up on the turn hero must fold to a bet. If the the turn is a blank and villain fires another round, do you now give credit to your jacks or muck them? 
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#2
12-09-2005, 01:48 PM
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Re: Curtains Hand #2
Hops, answer your own question. Put yourself in villain's shoes. What are you thinking when your opponent flat calls the flop at this point?
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#3
12-09-2005, 01:54 PM
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Re: Curtains Hand #2
Ok, thinking in the mind of the villain..
From an EP raiser, I would put him on powerful cards obviously. Perhaps an AKs. When he calls my flop bet he's obviously not giving me credit for trip 8s, a full house, or completed two pair with the 6; which he shouldn't. He could be on high cards too here, not trying to act weak tight by giving up this flop too soon because he doesnt know if Im on a pair or high cards.
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#4
12-09-2005, 02:31 PM
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Re: Curtains Hand #2
[ QUOTE ]
Ok, thinking in the mind of the villain.. From an EP raiser, I would put him on powerful cards obviously. Perhaps an AKs. When he calls my flop bet he's obviously not giving me credit for trip 8s, a full house, or completed two pair with the 6; which he shouldn't. He could be on high cards too here, not trying to act weak tight by giving up this flop too soon because he doesnt know if Im on a pair or high cards. [/ QUOTE ] I think I'm beginning to understand the thinking behind the call. If hero pushes the flop, the hand is done -- villain will likely call with high pairs and fold with overcards. If hero just calls, he might get villain to put more chips in the pot when he has just overcards. Hero thinks the extra chips villain might put in on the turn outweigh the chance of a scare card hitting. Is there also some consideration given to disguising the action? That is, if an overpair always pushes, then a call becomes easy to read.
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