AA river decision

lil feller · #1 11-20-2005, 08:28 AM

BB is solid (17/10/2.0)
SB is l/p (38/6/1.0)
MP1 is a goofball (33/18/1.4)
MP2 is solid (17/10/1.8)but knows that MP1 is a goofball and has adjusted his PF range.

My image is pretty nitty, mostly due to being extremely card dead.
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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP1 calls.

River: (18.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

I'm sure i'm gonna get ripped for not capping, but I thought I had a good chance to get somebody else to do it, and I didn't feel like flipping my hand over just yet...

comments on all streets appreciated, especially the river

thanks,

lf

EDIT cuz I messed up the stats.

SoSo · #2 11-20-2005, 09:04 AM

looks like u got punished for not capping pf and the flop.

charlieD · #3 11-20-2005, 11:59 AM

i don't like not capping preflop. i like calling the flop 3 bet and raising the turn.

i think you'll find the bb has jacks or maybe tens and mp1(goofball) might have outdrawn you with his pair or 8's but is more likely value betting something goofy.

i'm just calling this river because you should draw an overcall from bb while not leaving yourself open to a reraise when goofball has you beat

lil feller · #4 11-20-2005, 04:13 PM

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looks like u got punished for not capping pf and the flop.

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thanks for being insightful. No, really, I love it when people chime in with such well thought out responses, its great.

I can understand the argument for capping PF, I honestly thought somebody else would.

On the flop, however, if I cap I get checked to on the turn, and if I get c/r its by the BB, probably forcing out the goofball. By calling the flop I get $45 from both of them on the flop, and a guaranteed $60 on the turn for a total of $105 per player, or 210. If I cap I get $60 on the flop, and $30 on the turn (possibly from only one player, if goofball has overcards, which seems likely given the action until the river) which puts only $150 in the pot, costing me 2BB.

Thanks again for really digging into the situation and looking at it from all angles. Next time you post, try including the "why" with your "what". Its no wonder some of the more experienced posters get irritated by stuff like that.

lf

sfer · #5 11-20-2005, 04:32 PM

I think it's fine except preflop where you really want to discourage MP2 from isolating light so you can sneak into pots behind the donk.

#6 11-20-2005, 06:27 PM

I like all streets post flop, including the river, nh. As Dave pointed out you want to discourage MP2 from isolating the donkey pf and capping when you've got it will set him up for later when you don't.

steveyz · #7 11-20-2005, 07:56 PM

Raise the river and I don't think it's close.

lil feller · #8 11-20-2005, 09:29 PM

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Raise the river and I don't think it's close.

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Thats interesting. I felt the BB had some smaller overpair, and might not call 2 bets cold. The donk from the goofball certainly looked like a hand that wanted to ensure the river didn't get check through. Could be be any 2, 99 or 88.

Do you think the of forcing out the guy I know I have beat and potentially getting 3bet by the guy that I can't put on a hand is the best move. I get two bets for sure by calling (one from each) if i'm ahead and loose 1 if goofball has a monster. If I raise the BB almost definately folds (my image is strong, if that matters), so I get 2 if i'm ahead (both from the goofball) and lose 3 if behind. Am I missing something that makes a raise the better play?

thanks,

lf

Clarkmeister · #9 11-20-2005, 10:37 PM

I like it.

lil feller · #10 11-20-2005, 10:53 PM

Thanks to all that replied.

MP2 showed JJ, BB had QQ and MHIG.

more comments welcome.

thanks,

lf