(22) Do I need to give him credit?

golfcchs · #1 12-05-2005, 02:59 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t770)
BB (t1010)
UTG (t785)
UTG+1 (t700)
UTG+2 (t770)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t990)
MP3 (t525)
CO (t720)
Button (t930)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t30, 6 folds, Button calls t30, Hero calls t20, 1 fold.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t105, Button folds, Hero calls t105.

Turn: (t312.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks,UTG bets all in t680, Hero calls

Dont like anything I did here, but I guess my biggest question is do you give a unknown 22'er credit here and lay it down on the turn?

Also should I have taken the lead anywhere? I felt like I was way ahead or way behined, so the idea with checking was allowing him to bluff the max.

BrettP217 · #2 12-05-2005, 03:03 AM

lay it down

psyduck · #3 12-05-2005, 03:09 AM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t770)
BB (t1010)
UTG (t785)
UTG+1 (t700)
UTG+2 (t770)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t990)
MP3 (t525)
CO (t720)
Button (t930)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t30, 6 folds, Button calls t30, Hero calls t20, 1 fold.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t105, Button folds, Hero calls t105.

Turn: (t312.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets all in t680, Hero calls

Dont like anything I did here, but I guess my biggest question is do you give a unknown 22'er credit here and lay it down on the turn?

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wtf? you checked to him on the turn didn't you? How else would he have first action when you're SB and he's UTG?

in this case, I call quickly.

golfcchs · #4 12-05-2005, 03:13 AM

I did check

handsome · #5 12-05-2005, 03:15 AM

Well, first let me say I would've folded that AJo preflop and this hand is exactly why I play as tight as I do in the early stages.
1) not s00ted (4:1 with AJo sucks)
2) generally no reads
3) n0t so0ted (s00tedness justifies everything)
4) OOP
5) pwnt by highly possible AK, AQ
6) n0t s0oted (for obvious reasons)

I really don't like check-calling, it's too passive for me. But if you lead out and get called/raised, what are you gonna do? That's why I fold preflop. Sorry

psyduck · #6 12-05-2005, 03:34 AM

yeah exactly. I would have bet/folded turn (like half pot bet) and I would have folded PF.

However, this being a 22, there are many many worse aces that villain could have.

jeffraider · #7 12-05-2005, 04:35 AM

For some reason this really smells like AK to me.

#8 12-05-2005, 05:55 AM

I'm not saying it's the best line, but I would probably re-raise to roughly 250 on the flop. I think that it gives you a good idea of where you stand. I figure a call by villian may signal a worse A, and you can fold to a push.

I don't know how much better the 22s are than the 11s, but just tonight in the second hand of an 11, the UTG raises to 55, UTG+1 pushed 800, I called in MP1 with AKo, and the UTG+1 flipped AJo. I wouldn't give your typical PP player too much credit. It doesn't help, but I think that here, you're ahead about 50/50 unless this guy is better than the average player.

Will

P.S. He could have donkey played a pair of sixes pre flop.