how to play this TT on scary flop

[Noodles]

UB 2/4$, hero has T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in MP
fold, hero riases,fold, button calls,rest fold

FLOP:K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
I bet ,button raises, i call

TURN:5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
i check, he bets, i call
what can i do here,if he bet a flush draw im gone,if he has k or j im gone,

River:J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
i check, he bets ,i call,

i really think i must fold here,i mean chances are he has to be beating me,

any other way i could have played this hand better?

[waffle]

I fold the flop,

fold the turn,

then fold the river.

edit: calling turn is ok with 4 flush. missed that.

[Stack]

Any reads?

He raises you on the flop with a hand that beats you, or a flush draw, or an oesd, unless you have specific reads. When the flush gets there on the turn, you're probably behind, and hope he has a J or K, or lower flush than a T, counting on your flush draw only. With an oesd, he probably checks behind.

I fold the river. (again, unless reads suggest otherwise)

[Stack]

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I fold the flop,

<font color="red"> flush draw, oesd -&gt; I probably call planning on calling a safe turn </font>

fold the turn,

<font color="red"> you have a flush draw, good against any J or K, or better yet, an oesd that gets there but gives you the flush</font>
then fold the river.


edit: calling turn is ok with 4 flush. missed that.

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[waffle]

he could be semibluffing, true.

but i think it's far more likely that he coldcalled with a hand like KJ, QJ, K9, JT, etc.. and out flopped you. if you call down to defend against the semi-bluff, when he's not semi-bluffing you're paying all the way with only 2 outs. if he is semi-bluffing he has even more outs than normal as his pair outs are probably good.

it's a small pot and you're either a big underdog or slightly ahead (for example, against QT it's about 55/45). fold the [censored] flop. i have problems with respecting raises from aggro tards and calling down light but this is an easy fold.

[Noodles]

i dunno about folding the flop ,you see guys raise with crap all the time v a pfr to try to get a free turn card,

so folding this flop is standard?

[Stack]

[ QUOTE ]
he could be semibluffing, true.

but i think it's far more likely that he coldcalled with a hand like KJ, QJ, K9, JT, etc.. and out flopped you. if you call down to defend against the semi-bluff, when he's not semi-bluffing you're paying all the way with only 2 outs. if he is semi-bluffing he has even more outs than normal as his pair outs are probably good.

it's a small pot and you're either a big underdog or slightly ahead (for example, against QT it's about 55/45). fold the [censored] flop. i have problems with respecting raises from aggro tards and calling down light but this is an easy fold.

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I underestand you reasoning, but I don't think that folding the flop, if correct, is that easy.

He may have a pair, or a draw.
We do have a pair, and two weak backdoors.
The pot is not small as we are getting 8.5 to 1.

I do agree that if he is not ahead, he has many outs against us as well, diminishing our equity. But I don't think it's a clear flop fold. I'm on a restricted computer right now so I can't stove it, but if it's a -EV call, I don't think it's by much.

I'd like to hear more on the flop play though.

[imported_CaseClosed326]

I would fold the flop.

[B Dids]

I peel this flop. Backdoor flush and straight draws are fun.

Then I'm calling the turn.

I think you can probably fold the river.

You're getting 8.5:1 with 2 (Tens)+ 1.5 (backdoor FD) + 1 (backdoor straightdraw) = 4.5 outs
Maybe not all of them are clean, but combined with implied odds this a call IMO.
I think I fold the river.