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#31
11-19-2005, 02:45 AM
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Re: Temp Results
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[ QUOTE ] Please, just give me an example of potential long run results, and tell me what those results would mean. For example, lets say K9o, Q9o, J9o, T9 lose -.04, -.07, -.08, -.09 respectively. What meaning do you draw out of that? [/ QUOTE ] I think I can answer that. If we folded every one of those hands all of the time, our loss rate would be around -0.12 bb/hand. This is derived by taking the amount of both blinds (-0.75 bb) and dividing it by average players at the table (5.3), which is -0.1415 bb/hand. That number needs to be adjusted slightly in our favor in order to compensate for the times we get a walk in the big blind. By playing these hands in profitable spots (which according to HUSH would be button, blinds and sometimes the CO), we are able, not so much get those hands in the green, but to reduce our losses. By taking a collection of overall winrates for these hands from only winning players (breakeven to 3bb/100 winners), we can determine a relatively accurate hand value for each one. That information is extremely useful in determining where you or I should be with all hands in terms of winrate, and will also provide a more accurate guide for opening certain hands in certain situations. Just entertain vkh for 2 minutes of your time and provide your personal stats. He's willing to invest much more of his time for our benefit. [/ QUOTE ] I still don't get how any of this is usefull. You mention how you can get a loss rate per hand, but this is meaningless unless you know where it is comming from. A hand like T9o is rarely played from outside the blinds, so the majority of the stats you are getting are solely from blind play. On the other hand, K9o is a hand that is often played from the button, CO, and maybe even MP. Without having a weighting of how often these hands are getting played from what position, and in what circumstances they are being played (a blind defense EV is different from a blind steal EV is different from an isolation EV), I really just don't see what the use of knowing that K9o has an EV of -.07 is. 
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#32
11-19-2005, 04:57 AM
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Re: Temp Results
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still don't get how any of this is usefull. [/ QUOTE ] It's not useful. It's completely useless, irrelevant information. Knowing the overal expectation of a hand serves no purpose whatsoever, academic, practical, or otherwise. Please, don't waste any more of your time with this useless thread.
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#34
11-19-2005, 06:30 AM
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Re: Some Offsuit hand Winrates
K9o: 597 -0.04
Q9o: 580 +0.06 J9o: 567 +0.02 T9o: 542 -0.07
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#36
11-19-2005, 03:54 PM
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Temp Results II
We're starting to make headway -- about 1/8 of the way to getting 100,000 samples of each hand. Keep submitting data!!
***OVERALL WINRATES*** Hand Samples Winrate K9o 13789 -0.04bb/hand Q9o 14076 -0.05bb/hand J9o 13988 -0.05bb/hand T9o 13779 -0.05bb/hand
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#37
11-19-2005, 04:02 PM
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Re: Temp Results
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[ QUOTE ] still don't get how any of this is usefull. [/ QUOTE ] It's not useful. It's completely useless, irrelevant information. Knowing the overal expectation of a hand serves no purpose whatsoever, academic, practical, or otherwise. Please, don't waste any more of your time with this useless thread. [/ QUOTE ] Meh. Although I disagree with you, there could be something that you could draw out of your results. I just don't see what that could be, and I am asking you how you intend to use these numbers. I guess I will see when you finally complete everything. My main reason for putting so much pressure in this thread is because I honestly think that you will gain so much more if you seperate things out, rather than clumping everything together. I may sound harsh, but I am honestly posting so that I can learn more, along with everyone else who may read this thread or results. If I am wrong about the clumping, then I am wrong, but I would like to know why I am wrong.
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#38
11-19-2005, 04:21 PM
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Re: Temp Results
Actually I apologize for getting sarcastic before.
I am just cataloging overall winrates with some hands. The end result will be a post that will contain the average winrate of these hands across a wide range of good 6 max players; a result that exists nowhere that I know of on the internet. It will be available as a reference for anyone who wants to see it by searching for this post. This clearly does not cause any harm. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to provide resistance to this thread. If you have an idea for some other statistical project then I more than welcome you to spearhead it. Good luck, -v
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