interesting QQ fold.. thoughts?

[curtains]

I would fold too. Sometimes I just flat call with QQ, but I like raising to 150-200 here.

[Pete]

jeffpig is so wild i would call

[octaveshift]

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i'm in the camp of "call, fold if you don't flop a set" contingent here, if i don't really know anything about my opponent.


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This seems totally tweaked to me.

To be clear... you are advocating playing QQ for set value here?

If Raptor held TT, would you advocate the same play? What about 22?

[Daliman]

Unless this guy is a known idiot or hairbrain, this is an EASY fold.

[adanthar]

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To be clear... you are advocating playing QQ for set value here?

If Raptor held TT, would you advocate the same play? What about 22?

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We have the read and he's getting odds, so, yeah to all 3.

[johnnybeef]

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We have the read and he's getting odds, so, yeah to all 3

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care to go over those? im confident you are incorrect.

[adanthar]

He's calling 175 and playing for the other guy's stack plus the pot which is gonna be something like 1200 total.

Add in the 10 out flops (KJT, JT9) and the times he slowplay checks the flop and you catch a 2 outer and I think you have enough here.

[mlagoo]

i think because he's about 90% to have AA or KK here -- I don't think anyone makes this raise with AK, they would likely sooner make it with any two cards -- you are about 99% to felt him on a Q high flop. I call for a set.

I mean, if you go in telling yourself you'll get away from anything else... you can do it.

[microbet]

One would not be likely to get into this position with 22 or TT, but once there, being almost certain you are up against AA or KK, QQ is close to the same as TT or 22. TT would be the best of the three if you really are up against AA or KK.

When I was misunderstanding the stacks and thought it was 125 to call, it seemed like a good call. At 175, I think is seems like a bit on the bad side.

[johnnybeef]

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Add in the 10 out flops (KJT, JT9) and the times he slowplay checks the flop and you catch a 2 outer and I think you have enough here.

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These situations are far too remote to add in to the equation, even if as a rough estimation.



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He's calling 175 and playing for the other guy's stack plus the pot which is gonna be something like 1200 total.


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I'm getting 1280:175 which equals 7.3:1. This of course is less than the 7.5:1 needed to hit a set. Even when you throw in an outside possibility that he may do this with a hand like AK or (gasp) AQ, there simply is not enough overlay.

PS. check my #s:

25 = sb
50 = bb
175 = raptor's raise
1030 = villains stack