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Old 11-28-2005, 07:29 PM
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Default Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside

I have been playing online poker for quite some time, almost two years. I actually started out in bonus hunting mainly on the casino side and eventually started giving poker a try.

I've always liked playing poker and am an extremely smart individual with great math skills. However, even after 35k hands, I still cannot get the hang of poker.

I would appreciate any input from you guys on how to get over this hump.

Here are the stats:







Like I said, these stats include hands I played almost 18 months ago and my play has certainly changed since then. I took a break for about 3 months to focus on the casino side and just started picking back up again (Christmas break is coming and I'm going to have 3 weeks of poker nonstop).



Here are my stats over the last 6k hands with what I thought was a better strategy:



I would appreciate all criticism. I'm up over 3k in bonuses but things would certainly be looking a lot nicer if I had the BB/hand to back it up. I'm WAAAAY overolled for the limits I'm playing but there is no sense in moving up without winning first (obviously).

So what leaks do you think I can fix?
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:34 PM
jt1 jt1 is offline
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside

I once ran into a 25k break even streak. It was at 3/6.

Try posting actual hands

PFR% is a bit low but your aggro factor is right on. You're probably just not getting your share of good cards.

In case you didn't know, raise AJo and KQo in EP
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:37 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside

Post hands here, respond to hands here, and read (or reread) SSHE by Miller, Malumuth, and Sklansky.
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:39 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside

Your folded to river bet is insanely high. Before folding so-so hands like top pair on the river you have to look at the size of the pot.

You are surely folding many winners and giving up lots of money in the process.
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Old 11-29-2005, 02:43 AM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside

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Your folded to river bet is insanely high.

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This, I think, is the only thing you need to work on. It will have a huge impact. Once you get used to showing down some marginal hands magical things happen. Trust me.
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Old 11-29-2005, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside

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Your folded to river bet is insanely high. Before folding so-so hands like top pair on the river you have to look at the size of the pot.

You are surely folding many winners and giving up lots of money in the process.

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What is the correct range for "folded to a river bet"?
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Old 11-29-2005, 09:30 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside

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Your folded to river bet is insanely high.

[/ QUOTE ]What is the correct range for "folded to a river bet"?

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I am also interested in getting an idea what the expected good range for 'Folded to River Bet' is expected to be. I think I may be 'Folding To River Bet' too much also. For Full Ring I an at 46%, for 1/2 Shorthand I am at 51%. I would guess that a lower range would be expected at Shorthand also.
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Old 11-29-2005, 09:59 PM
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45% is ABOUT the norm from all the stats I have ever see.

Winning 50% at SD is WAY WAY low (somebody mention that).
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:40 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats in

I would suggest joining in with the session reviewing that is now weekly in the micro forum. Basically you review a block of someones hands and a different player reviews yours. They may spot a problem or two.

Your figures look reasonable - vpip, pfr and aggression wise. I think your river agg is a bit high (others may disagree). You do fold rivers a lot though. Might you be overplaying your hands post flop? At 1/2 you will likely find it dificult to push players off pairs with your overcards etc.
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats in

A good portion of the 35k sample was probably not very good poker. However, I really thought I "got" it after my break from poker, especially after all the studying I did.

I thought that my fold at the river % was mainly due to my earlier playing, but looking again, even my recent 6k sample had 55% fold rate. Wonder why?

Also, when analyzing the stats, I would look at the 6k sample as it definitely shows my playing tendencies currently.

If anyone thinks its necessary, I can post my detailed stats for the most previous hands.
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