AK I don't know what to do

zephed · #1 07-12-2005, 05:14 AM

I just jumped into the table maybe 1 or 2 orbits ago. PT stats not up yet, but BB seems tightish. UTG is a verified LAG.

Party Poker 3/6 (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, Fold, Fold, Fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.

I'm not sure how often I should be raising this against an unknown maybe tightish player. The players here are usually pretty aggressive, although they go too far with their hands.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero ?

Also, the converter has gone haywire on this hand, and PP just had an update last night. Coincidence?

Escape · #2 07-12-2005, 05:29 AM

I'd fold the turn

stripsqueez · #3 07-12-2005, 05:39 AM

you should know what your doing on the turn before you decide on the flop - in other words if you call the flop then think after he bets the turn your a chook

i want to get to showdown so most of the time i raise the flop and go from there

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

zephed · #4 07-12-2005, 06:39 AM

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you should know what your doing on the turn before you decide on the flop - in other words if you call the flop then think after he bets the turn your a chook

i want to get to showdown so most of the time i raise the flop and go from there

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

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I'm a chook then. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I don't think it was likely enough that he would do this with just overcards, so I didn't raise. I think I could have freezed him up with a raise here though. But the average player at this level is going to showdown anything that beats me. So let's say I freeze him up on the flop when I raise. Is taking a free card on the turn bad?

I assumed my 6 outs were good most of the time.

stripsqueez · #5 07-12-2005, 06:52 AM

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I don't think it was likely enough that he would do this with just overcards, so I didn't raise

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define "likely enough" - rather than just worry about whether you are in front or behind worry about whats to come - you should want to get to a showdown with this hand

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Is taking a free card on the turn bad?

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i dont think its awful as long as you call the almost inevitable river bet - i normally bet the turn and take the free showdown unimproved - mostly i prefer this line because when i hit the river i suspect he will hate that the most

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

zephed · #6 07-12-2005, 07:20 AM

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I don't think it was likely enough that he would do this with just overcards, so I didn't raise

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define "likely enough" - rather than just worry about whether you are in front or behind worry about whats to come - you should want to get to a showdown with this hand

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By likely enough, I'd estimate I'm behind with 5-6 outs > 70% of the time. What do you think and why?

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Is taking a free card on the turn bad?

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i dont think its awful as long as you call the almost inevitable river bet - i normally bet the turn and take the free showdown unimproved - mostly i prefer this line because when i hit the river i suspect he will hate that the most

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

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If I'm going to call the inevitable river bet, it is IMO much better to raise the flop, bet the turn, take the free showdown. The tough players will donk the river, do you usually call?

stripsqueez · #7 07-12-2005, 07:37 AM

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By likely enough, I'd estimate I'm behind with 5-6 outs > 70% of the time. What do you think and why?

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i cant be arsed with the math but if its 70% of the time then i think i'm at least close to right to say you can simply call him down profitably

i think you need to have a view about what he has - i think it looks horrible to call this bet and fold to a turn bet unimproved

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The tough players will donk the river, do you usually call?

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i'm not sure if the tough players donk the river or its tough when the river is donked - calling the river is my signature play so i probably call

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

Jgents · #8 07-12-2005, 06:53 AM

That board is very LAGIsh friendly. The pot is small, and you are trying to outplay a LAG who've you just admitted would not be betting the flop with just overcards. The turn sealed your fate. Let it go.

zephed · #9 07-12-2005, 07:05 AM

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That board is very LAGIsh friendly. The pot is small, and you are trying to outplay a LAG who've you just admitted would not be betting the flop with just overcards. The turn sealed your fate. Let it go.

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BB (who I mistyped as SB on the flop) is the "seems tightish" player who has bet the flop and turn.

UTG folded on the flop and is a verified lag.

Jgents · #10 07-12-2005, 08:07 AM

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That board is very LAGIsh friendly. The pot is small, and you are trying to outplay a LAG who've you just admitted would not be betting the flop with just overcards. The turn sealed your fate. Let it go.

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BB (who I mistyped as SB on the flop) is the "seems tightish" player who has bet the flop and turn.

UTG folded on the flop and is a verified lag.

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Ok, so the maybe tightish player then. The SB called 2 cold out of the blind. I put him on AK-all, AQs, KQs, 22-TT. With the very remote possibility of AA-KK, and KQs.

Te flop gives you overcards and a backdoor nut flush draw. I want to see this turn, preferably for only one small bet. Typically, I reraise in this spot with position and check the turn unimproved. Dependes on the board texture and player. If I do fire on the turn again, with that turn, I'm folding to a 3-Bet.