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Old 11-16-2004, 07:55 PM
Jason Strasser Jason Strasser is offline
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Default Check, Call. Check, Call, Check, Call.

Recently I've been tagging LAGs the minute I see them in a SNG. Before I was a bit lazy about it, but now I am really all over it. There are a lot of players who play the 215s on party, but there are also a lot of the same players.

Anyhow, this player had the LAG tag on him, he also had a big stack early from being laggy and winning a nice all in with his AJ vs AKs.

I'm in the BB with A9o. UTG limps, Laggy opponent limps im MP, SB completes I check. Blinds 25/50. I have 1500 chips, laggy opponent has 1900. We are 8 handed, if that matters.

Flop comes A23, 2 clubs, one of which is the ace of clubs. SB checks, I check, UTG checks, LAG opponent bets 60. I call, UTG calls.

Turn was an offsuit 10. Checks again to LAG, who bets 150. I call, UTG folds.

River another offsuit ten. Opponent bets 275, I call.

So, how did I do?
-Jason
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Old 11-16-2004, 08:16 PM
stripsqueez stripsqueez is offline
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Default Re: Check, Call. Check, Call, Check, Call.

if he goes all in pre-flop with AJ then it seems likely you win

i'm a bit tempted to raise the turn and more tempted to raise the river - i'm placing a lot of faith in the idea that this player would have bet more if he had me beat and that he will call a decent sized raise on the river with a worse A

i like how you played it

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Old 11-16-2004, 08:26 PM
Jason Strasser Jason Strasser is offline
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Default Re: Check, Call. Check, Call, Check, Call.

Raising the turn isnt a good line, I think, because if he's bluffing I want him to bet the river. If I raise, he likely folds. If he has a weaker ace, he pays me off.

It's also possible he has a ten, because he really could be betting anything here, which is why I didn't raise the river. But my default line would not be to raise the river here because he could have some sort of 2 pair or something.

-Jason
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Old 11-16-2004, 08:29 PM
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Default Re: Check, Call. Check, Call, Check, Call.

Generally this is one of those hands thats too good to fold against this LAGgy type of player but really not good enough to go nuts with. This is my line too.
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Old 11-16-2004, 09:01 PM
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Default Re: Check, Call. Check, Call, Check, Call.

Jason,

I really enjoy reading and learning from your posts. Quick question for you. The 275 bet gets you in for about 1/3 of your stack. What is the largest size raise you would have called there on the end?


Thanks,
morgan
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Old 11-16-2004, 09:08 PM
Jason Strasser Jason Strasser is offline
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Default Re: Check, Call. Check, Call, Check, Call.

Hrmm..

Tough question. In theory, if I really felt it, I would call off my entire stack if I was convinced my opponent was full of crap. I sometimes like just going with my reads and such, but sometimes I can take it too far. I'd guess if this particular opponent made a huge bet on the river--500 or more, I'd really consider the fact that he might have a ten or a better hand. I'd also have a ton of trouble folding.

I guess I really can't answer your question fully, as I'd go with my read.

-Jason
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Old 11-16-2004, 09:09 PM
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Default Re: Check, Call. Check, Call, Check, Call.

I don't like it in the 50's. The escalating bet size smells of value bets.

I would much rather call a pot sized bet on the flop, wait for the turn check and then put in a smallish bet on the river than to call a second bet that looks like it's keeping pace with the pot size.

Then again, if you really don't think you can fold on the turn...
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Old 11-16-2004, 09:13 PM
Jason Strasser Jason Strasser is offline
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Default Re: Check, Call. Check, Call, Check, Call.

Ok.

Put the opponent on a hand.

-Jason
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Old 11-16-2004, 09:15 PM
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Default Re: Check, Call. Check, Call, Check, Call.

If a LAG bet the flop with nothing, why would he check the turn with nothing?
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Old 11-16-2004, 09:19 PM
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Default Re: Check, Call. Check, Call, Check, Call.

I often play the same hand the same way, and a LAG is a LAG whatever the limit.

I put him on any two pretty cards from A2s (boooo) to KQo (yay) including random pairs like 88.

Lori
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