Question about the fundamental theorem of poker

[RoundTower]

I probably mean .84 of a BB, your hand has improved to a double gutshot.

Slappy, the problem here is that you are making an incorrect play by betting. Yes, your opponent's failure to raise will cost him, but your betting costs you also.

[Tilt]

But is it really even a mistake for your opponent not to raise? If I knew your cards, I might call hoping to earn an extra bluff bet on the river. I would give up - what? - .9BB's on the turn to earn .9 BB's on the river. If that thinking is correct, then your bet on the turn is clearly wrong.

[Yads]

You're missing the flip side of the Theorem. Which states:

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Every time you play a hand differently from the way you would have played it if you could see all your opponents' cards, they gain

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So if you know he has KQ you should check fold, but instead you bet. Therefore, your opponent gains. He also gains more from you misplaying your hand than he loses by misplaying his hand (not raising), therefore, he gains and you lose.

[Cyrus]

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If you know he will call if you bet, then betting is mathematically the same thing as checking, then calling a bet.

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If you know he will call if you bet, and that he will bet if you check, then betting is mathematically the same thing as checking, then calling a bet.

[Cyrus]

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this is getting annoying, why cant i post after this? When i click the other links it just logs me out of the servers, anyone know why?

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Posters who have not understood completely the Fundamental Theorem of Poker, the 2+2 software slaps them around once every week.

[Shandrax]

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You're missing the flip side of the Theorem. Which states:

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Every time you play a hand differently from the way you would have played it if you could see all your opponents' cards, they gain

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They gain higher winning chances for this specific hand. If you draw out on the river to get away with your mistake, all they have gained is a bad beat.

[vexvelour]

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I think the reason it is "correct" to bet is because, in theory of course, we all face the EXACT SAME situations WITH THE EXACT SAME CARDS if we were to play out infinitely long. So while its true that he misses a bet and makes a mistake, i gain because when IM faced with a bet and hold the same KQ against JT, and I raise, i dont lose anything and therefore and 1 BB ahead of my opponent. If i were to just call as well both of our mistakes cancel eachother out in a sense.

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This sounds like someone trying to justify a really bad hand.

When the FTOP mentions "gains" or "losses" it's talking in terms of a large amount of hands approaching infinite. They in no way explain or predict the outcome of any particular hand.

[BB King's]

<font color="red"> I was rereading sklansky's Theory of Poker last night and was reading his fundamental theorem. </font>

Why did you do that ? There must shure be a better way to waste yuor time !