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[Nottom]

Paradise 2/4 - don't remember the exact details so bare with me

I get KQo in LMP

2 limpers to me and I limp behind a couple more lipers and/or blinds. 5ish to the flop.

Flop: 9TK (suits don't matter)
First limper bets, next calls, I raise, all fold to better who 3-bets, next folds, i call.

Turn and river are blanks and I call him down.

Does this play seem right?
I was pretty sure I was beat on the flop, but didn't know to what. I was new to the table and wasn't sure how aggressive he might be here with something like KJ or maybe another KQ and figured there was a good enuf chance he had 1 of those along with whatever outs I had ... not that I knew which were good... to call him down here. Help!

[Homer]

I would have capped the flop. If you are bet into again on the turn, call, then fold to a bet on the river unless you improve. If you are checked to on the turn, check behind and call if bet into on the river (or bet if checked to). Some might say that you should follow up your cap with a bet on the turn (and check behind on the river), but then you leave yourself open to a checkraise, and I'm not sure that you can fold when this happens. I'm thinking that you should check behind with outs. An additional benefit to this is that you may induce a bluff on the river from a hand like JT or QT.

Capping the flop is preferable to calling the three-bet with the intention of calling down, because you gain a lot of information for an extra small bet and thus can get away from the hand more cheaply, since you can fold on the river when you don't improve.

-- Homer

[Bob T.]

What hands do you think that he has? It is possible that he has KJ, that you are ahead of, or KQ that you chop with. The other likely ones are KT, QJ, T9, TT, 99maybe AK, and what I think is the worst hand in holdem K9.

After the flop action, there are 11 small bets in the pot, so you would be getting 13 to 2 to call a turn bet. Against about half of those hands, you arent getting close to the odds you need to proceed, so I think that this is your chance to get out. If you call the turn bet, you have to assume that you are either getting sufficient outs, or your opponent might be screwing around with AJ, JT, or something like that, and call the river bet also.

[Bob T.]

I think I like this play better than my idea. It costs 1 and a half big bets to see the river, and gives you a reasonable chance to catch a jack.

[Nottom]

Thanks for the advice Homer ... I was pretty sure what he had based on general online tendancies. Most online players would never think about 3-betting a set or god forbid the nuts on the flop so I was pretty sure I was looking at 2-pair, probably KT or 9T (turned out to be K9o ... who'd have thunk it) So a cap on the flop may very well have bought me a free turn card with him fearing the straight.

Ah well, guess I cost myself $2 ... time to go winning it back.

[Schmed]

When I first read it I thought that capping the flop was the way to go. Especially with his position. I would think that if he were bet in to that his opponent would have K9 or maybe even trips. If the guy comes out betting you know you're probably drawing to 3 outs at best.

[Louie Landale]

You need to remember and relate the exact mechanics of the hand more precisely. If I read your post correctly, it wasn't "5ish" that took the flop, it was "exactly 7". Besides that it makes it easier to give more accurate advise when you do, failing to do so PROBABLY means you aren't paying enough attention to such things while you are playing. THAT is REAL important.

There is obviously at least a little doubt about this hand, plus a J is almost a sure winner. Call him on the turn. Advise for paying off the river is always tricky, but generally you need a compelling reason to FOLD, otherwise you call.

- Louie

[Nottom]

I didn't mean to confuse anybody, but I really didn't think they were terribly relevant since they all folded on the flop anyway. I didn't have the hand history handy when writing the post, and I know it affects the pot odds a little bit, but I think the general feel of the hand is still there. Also when I said 2 more limpers and/or blinds, I meant that I thought 2 more people came along at least one of which was a blind, not 2 limpers and 2 blinds.

As it turns out I was wrong, it was the button and both blinds so 6 took the flop.

I think I do a pretty good job of being aware of whats going on while in game, but I dont always have the best recollection of all the details of the hand the next day when writing a post.

[SoBeDude]

I think I do a pretty good job of being aware of whats going on while in game, but I dont always have the best recollection of all the details of the hand the next day when writing a post.

Man am I the same way.

What I've learned to do is grab the hand-history and set it aside. Then when I want to post I have all the details so I don't have to rely on my faulty memory.

Hand histories are a wonderful thing.

-Scott

[Nottom]

Thats generally how I do it, but I just didn't have it handy this time.

On another note ... are there any sites that have an instant hand history access like UB, but also allow for mass downloads like Paradise?