First 15 mins off 6. max. 25$ NL, need help, too aggr.??

spliff · #1 12-01-2005, 12:27 AM

Hi,

i am usually playing 50NL-100NL Full game, now i wanna learn 6. max.

Now about protecting blinds with lesser hands, and not to much more aggr. preflop unless stealing blinds (first in).

I am cencerned about post-flop play, since i realized how much more fast paced the 6. max. is compared to full games.

This is the 2 (only) hands i won (exc. blinds), did'nt loose any big ones.

This games rocks, i was shaking in my pants, even though it was only 25NL!!

And i actually paid attenion too the other players, which i never seem to be able to, playing full games.

Any comments on how i played these 2 "crusial" hands in my first 15 mins of 6. max.

No. 1
Protecting BB, with a midiocre hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($42.10)
SB ($19.05)
Hero ($24.15)
UTG ($8.54)
MP ($19.53)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, Button raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75, MP calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $3, UTG folds, MP folds, Button raises to $6, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($16.10) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Button folds.

Final Pot: $16.10

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins $16.10. 

No. 2
Trying to steal blinds with semi god hand, even though UTG.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($36.80)
BB ($25.19)
Hero ($32.60)
MP ($24.75)
CO ($35.47)
Button ($19.68)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
Hero raises to $1, MP calls $1, 4 folds.

Flop: ($2.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP folds.

Final Pot: $5.35

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins $5.35. 

Thanks

wdeadwyler · #2 12-01-2005, 12:47 AM

Hand 1: What happened on the turn, calling his minraise is usually a bad idea.

Hand 2: Nothing wrong with raising k10s utg.

spliff · #3 12-01-2005, 01:51 AM

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Hand 1: What happened on the turn, calling his minraise is usually a bad idea.

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On the turn I made a all-in (pot-size) bet for about 15$, he folded. I was unsure if that was right.

See your point about not calling the miniraise on the flop. Felt a fold would be wrong, and i did'nt feel like an all-in re-raise. I made a all-in bet when the turn came out with only a small overcard "10".

Guess i should have made that all-in re-raise (or folded) on the flop after all, since i had no interest in seing the turn.

stu-unger · #4 12-01-2005, 02:11 AM

i think until u get the hang of 6max just think of it like UTG, UTG+1, & UTG+2 folded. my standards are almost the same for 6max as full ring. i steal a little bit more, but its not that different...

spliff · #5 12-01-2005, 02:15 AM

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i think until u get the hang of 6max just think of it like UTG, UTG+1, & UTG+2 folded. my standards are almost the same for 6max as full ring. i steal a little bit more, but its not that different...

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That's why i thought you should protect the BB's to a frequent raiser/stealer.

When sitting BB, would calling (or re-raising) a 3-4 BB preflop raise with say ATo/AJo (any pair) be wrong, guess it would be in a full game.

stu-unger · #6 12-01-2005, 02:21 AM

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i think until u get the hang of 6max just think of it like UTG, UTG+1, & UTG+2 folded. my standards are almost the same for 6max as full ring. i steal a little bit more, but its not that different...

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That's why i thought you should protect the BB's to a frequent raiser/stealer.

When sitting BB, would calling (or re-raising) a 3-4 BB preflop raise with say ATo/AJo (any pair) be wrong, guess it would be in a full game.

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as everything does in poker, it all depends. as a standard i keep my BB calling range to all pairs, and AQs+. i widen my range against most players, but when i first sit this is what i stick to...

#7 12-01-2005, 02:57 AM

I did very well at NL $25 6-max without getting too tricky. There's a lot of LAGs and a lot of calling stations; take advantage of them. If someone raising 20% of hands wants your blinds and you're looking down at KTo, so what, let it go. You'll get it back with interest because these guys play like idiots against your big hands. I also played full ring (though not as high as you) before switching to 6-max, and you just have to get a feel for it. One thing I sure loved was donks calling 8xBB raises into my AA/KK/whatever...they're clueless.

I'll call any pair preflop for 4xBB (unless it's against a very solid player who likely won't lose much to a set) since your implied odds are huge. ATo and AJo are pretty marginal though. Playing back against steals is probably something you have to do better to win at higher buyin levels (I'm at NL 50 right now and still not finding it necessary) but NL 25 probably wouldn't be the greatest practice for that given that you're not up against a lot of creative players.

kongo_totte · #8 12-01-2005, 12:52 AM

Hand 1

Don't play J 8o OOP to a raise. Don't call the flop raise.

Hand 2

It's a pretty aggro PF-raise, and I would certainly muck that PF more often than not, but raising it once in a while in EP is fine I guess. Flop bet is standard.

elus2 · #9 12-01-2005, 12:52 AM

don't call preflop with J8o since it's a bad hand and you're out of position.

spliff · #10 12-01-2005, 01:57 AM

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Hand 1

Don't play J 8o OOP to a raise. Don't call the flop raise.

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don't call preflop with J8o since it's a bad hand and you're out of position.

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Before my debut in 6. max. i read a short article about having to protect your BB's with midiocre hands like Q8o, and 3-betting frequent raisers with similar midiocre hands hands like A7 in BB's in shorthanded games, as being massively important.