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Old 07-05-2005, 10:11 AM
TripleH68 TripleH68 is offline
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Default QTo from the SB.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

No notes on opponents. In four or five orbits nothing special at this table.
Comments on all streets needed? Am I getting better at spewing chips?

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Turn: (5 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, CO folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (8 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>...
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:14 AM
tiltaholic tiltaholic is offline
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Default Re: QTo from the SB.

hey

with 6 opp. on the flop..i'm checking and hoping to raise an LP bet.
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:16 AM
jrz1972 jrz1972 is offline
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Default Re: QTo from the SB.

I would not lead off the flop with middle pair + gutshot into a bunch of opponents. You'll have the right odds to call a bet, but I don't think you have the equity to bet yourself.

I don't understand what you were trying to accomplish on the river.
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:25 AM
McGahee McGahee is offline
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Default Re: QTo from the SB.

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I would not lead off the flop with middle pair + gutshot into a bunch of opponents. You'll have the right odds to call a bet, but I don't think you have the equity to bet yourself.

I don't understand what you were trying to accomplish on the river.

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Me neither. Unless the table is uber-weak, any K is just going to make a crying call every time.
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:52 AM
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Default Re: QTo from the SB.

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hey

with 6 opp. on the flop..i'm checking and hoping to raise an LP bet.

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I've been increasingly incorporating this into my play, and I like the results. This looks like a good situation for it.

I don't know what you're trying to do on the river, but I'd be floored if you actually got everyone to fold.
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:53 AM
TripleH68 TripleH68 is offline
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Default Re: QTo from the SB.

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I don't understand what you were trying to accomplish on the river.

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On the river...

I may have the best hand. I played the hand like a flush draw.

I decided to call a bet, so why not bet out and fold to a raise?

I suppose the chance they both fold is minute. Is there a chance it checks through and I save a bet?
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Old 07-05-2005, 11:09 AM
Sasnak Sasnak is offline
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Default Re: QTo from the SB.

Check the flop and look to CR. Betting out gives 7:1 pot odds and anyone holding anything is almost correct to call.

Turn is what I'd do looking to hit my Q/T or J.

River is a check/fold. With three others still in the hand and calling down, 2nd pair can't be good enough times to make this a profitable call on this board. A weak K can beat you and someone is drawing to the flush.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:36 PM
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Default Re: QTo from the SB.

Donīt like the flop bet, since you out of position. It might get raised by someone with a pair of kings and i surely wonīt blow anyone out with a queen, most likely with a better kicker than yours. Neither anyone with a straight or flush draw.

I would fold on the turn. You might complete your straight on the river, but all hearts are dirty. The tens are also really dirty since the could give someone a straight. Furthermore you are likely to be behind if a non-usable cards falls...

Canīt se the idea behind the river bet??

- A n00bīs perspective
/Torben
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:47 PM
AngelicPenguin AngelicPenguin is offline
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Default Re: QTo from the SB.

What do you generally do if someone else bets. I'm sure it's board/read dependent, but let's take this board. Someone to your immediate left bets, everyone calls. Hero?
Someone to your immediate left bets, no one calls, Hero?
Just trying to get an idea of what the backup plan typically is here.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:58 PM
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Default Re: QTo from the SB.

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Someone to your immediate left bets, everyone calls. Hero?

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I would usually call this. It's possible that you have the best hand, but if not a jack or queen will often give you the best hand. Raising will not eliminate players so I think calling is better here, especially since you are closing the action.

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Someone to your immediate left bets, no one calls, Hero?

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This one is a bit read dependent. Players will often bet here with a draw particularly where there are straight and flush draws available. I would probably raise and lead the turn. Calling and check/folding the turn would also be a decent way to play it, especially if the player is somewhat passive.
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