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#1
11-01-2005, 02:05 PM
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Re: The Experiment on Doyles Room
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But they didnt build the BR that they support life with from it. [/ QUOTE ] You don't know what you are talking about. As outlined in my original post, I started under similar circumstances (though with a somewhat bigger initial roll, but on a site with no microlimits). I was laid off from my job at the end of September. I start a new job in about a week but for the month of October I played poker full time and made more money than I have at any job in my life. I'm not turning pro, but I obviously could. And anyway, who says he has to support himself playing poker? And who are you to decide what hobbies are worthwhile and which ones aren't? If a guy spends ten years building a boat in his backyard, is that a big waste of time because he could have just bought one? If someone plays golf a couple times a week but never makes a cent, is that a big waste of time? Does your every waking moment consist of working to "support life"? 
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#3
11-01-2005, 06:56 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Your computer probably using more electricity per hour than you are making.. [/ QUOTE ] POTD [/ QUOTE ] but since he's young, his parents are probably fronting the bill.
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#4
11-01-2005, 07:19 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Yes, it is possible to turn this into a real bankroll. It takes a lot of effort, but it can be done. This would be much more impressive than most though. If you want to build from nothing, you may want to try the free 10 dollars on Royal Vegas, or Instant Bankroll as has been mentioned. (Although I might wait on that until you have played a bit more.) [/ QUOTE ] Someone please define a REAL bankroll, because it just plain isnt possible.. CERTAINLY isnt worth the time that it would take to even make it a 1 in a million shot.. Youd be better off collecting pop or peddling on the street BY A LONG LONG SHOT. If your time isnt worth more than a few cents an hour than I would just put a bullet in your head now. Your computer probably using more electricity per hour than you are making.. I cant believe you guys are supporting this.. How stupid are you? No wonder that even with the membership of this place tripling, My bb/100 keeps going up. Unreal how flawed your arguments and logic are. There is NOBODY, and I REPEAT NOBODY that makes a living that started playing with a few cents and is now making a living............. NOT WITHOUT some influx of cash from an external source, granted there are people that started at nanos that are making a living now at it... But they didnt build the BR that they support life with from it. [/ QUOTE ] Did you even consider the fact that not everyone plays poker purely for money? Why do you think the THOUSANDS of playmoney players are there? They play to have fun, you imbecile. I can guarantee you that when I first started out, I had no idea that my Neteller account would end up holding more than my bank account, and no my bank account isn't looking *that* bad. Believe it or not, there are things you can learn from nano-limit play. Not everyone can just deposit $700 and hop into 1/2. If someone were to simply give me my entire bankroll and told me to play some 1/2, it'd be gone in a matter of days. I spent a ton of time playing $2 NL. Yes, it sucks that I made virtually no profit financially, but you can think of it like implied odds; it pays off later. Please tell me the difference between a good player depositing $500 to start his roll, and a player that began with playmoney turning his dollar into $500. They both have equal potential to make "a living" from poker, assuming they are equal in skill. Your argument that a player cannot make a living out of what started as nothing is flawed. Yes, it will take much longer than simply depositing money, but once both players have $1000 in their account, what's the difference? Our freeroll player will have gained a lot of experience over tens of thousands of hands, of course much of which is useless as he takes a large step in limits, his $2 NL thoughts will have no bearing on $50 NL. There are some fundamentals he would have learned along the way though, Hold'Em cannot simply be learned through reading, it takes practice and experience. Keep in mind, just because you have a lot of money in your account and consider these nano-limits as a "waste of time" and that if someone has nothing better to do than to play nano that they should "put a gun to their head", this does not mean that players cannot make something from nothing, that their time is wasted, or most importantly, that they cannot have fun. The OP is obviously fairly young, and does not intend to support his lifestyle with poker. He's looking for a way to turn his meager bankroll into something more useful and realistic. This is something that most of the posters have attempted to HELP him to. Yourself, you've just wasted everyone's time, posting your absolute bullshit. You obviously have zero experience at building a bankroll from nothing, and I firmly believe that you can't do it, since you obviously lack the patience and dedication. Have you ever experienced a downswing? What about if this downswing wipes out your entire bankroll because you're severely under-funded? I'm not saying that it's correct to play out of your roll, but if you can successfully win and win and dodge that risk of ruin, then that's something to be proud of. Just to let you know, I do not make enough money from poker to support myself. I have a job, I'm a student, and I play a lot of poker. It is a hobby for me, I love playing, but I love seeing my money going up as well. Just because someone wishes to increase their money, it doesn't mean that person necessarily needs to support himself with it. This is what you assumed. Good luck.
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#5
11-01-2005, 10:42 AM
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Re: The Experiment on Doyles Room
A lot of players here started their poker BR by freerolling, so it's definitely do-able. The real question is, if you do make a considerable amount of money, how do you intend to cash it out, given that your underage?
To find the highest limit you can (safely) play, multiple the big bet by 300. ie: (2c/4c) $0.04x300 = $12.
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#6
11-01-2005, 12:07 PM
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This is exactly how I got my start. Played a couple Paradise freerolls in 2003, won $1.40, then played a $1 tourney and got it up to $10. Played 0.5/1 and got lucky to bring it up to a standard roll of $300, and have since amassed approx. 35K in winnings playing 10/20 6max. Never have deposited a cent in my life.
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#7
11-01-2005, 03:45 PM
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If you're having fun playing the Nanolimit SNG's, then keep at it. Play in those is probably closer to play in $5-10 SNG's than Nanolimit ring play is to $1/2. Just have fun and play to win. You'll find donks at all levels, so just learning how to win against them at your level will pay off later.
I used SNG's to play $20 up to $400, then ring play took the $400 to about $7k.
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#8
11-01-2005, 07:46 PM
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Ok.. do the math... Please tell me how long it would take to build even 5k...
Starting at .01 winning a HEALTHY 3 bb/100 and playing 1k hands per week.. Moving up in stakes to next limit once you have 400 bb as a bank roll.... lets see the math, and that assuming HE NEVER has a losing streak. The people supporting this are absolute fools, I would venture to say that anyone supporting this argument is playing no higher than 3/6.... And if your playing 3/6 or lower... 1. You arent a good player 2. You arent earning much of a living from poker I would think you could probably collect 10 cans per hour (50C per hour) and maybe stumble accross a nickel or dime on the streat in that time as well... SO unless you are making 60 bb/100, my argument and logic are correct that you would be better off collecting cans for a bankroll. BTW, you guys are morons
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#9
11-01-2005, 08:27 PM
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Ok.. do the math... Please tell me how long it would take to build even 5k... Starting at .01 winning a HEALTHY 3 bb/100 and playing 1k hands per week.. Moving up in stakes to next limit once you have 400 bb as a bank roll.... lets see the math, and that assuming HE NEVER has a losing streak. The people supporting this are absolute fools, I would venture to say that anyone supporting this argument is playing no higher than 3/6.... And if your playing 3/6 or lower... 1. You arent a good player 2. You arent earning much of a living from poker I would think you could probably collect 10 cans per hour (50C per hour) and maybe stumble accross a nickel or dime on the streat in that time as well... SO unless you are making 60 bb/100, my argument and logic are correct that you would be better off collecting cans for a bankroll. BTW, you guys are morons [/ QUOTE ] The OP is a kid who wants to learn w/o depositing $$$. Starting with a few pennies and figuring the game out is a good way to go. If he spends a year working on his game and scratching away eventually he'll have enough to be a bonus whore and start building a reasonably legit BR to be able to play 2/4 o r 3/6 or 5/10. Once he gets there, the tens of thousands of hands he's played at micros (as well as the reading he's surely going to do as well) will serve him well. Yes, he'll still have a LOT to learn, but better to have a baseline from the micros than jump in at 2/4. Especially since he has time to get there. He clearly isn't trying to determine "do I take this job or do I go pro" .. he'd just rather play poker than WOW (as another poster put it). I wish I had. As for your claim about levels and BR and play and earnings and such: [ QUOTE ] And if your playing 3/6 or lower... 1. You arent a good player 2. You arent earning much of a living from poker [/ QUOTE ] 1 - I'm just good enough to beat the 3/6 game, and I'm learning. I wish I had thousands more hands at the micros that I could be building upon. I wish I had read SSHE 4 more times, but I've only been at this about 18 months. 2 - I don't do this for a living. It provides me with: a)entertainment (for free since I win a little bit) - I love to play. AND b) a little extra $$$ for my family. Its not much, but my wife and I get to eat out a couple extra times. I've bought her a few nice things I couldn't have otherwise, etc. the OP didn't ask "how do I become a 30/60 baller like that stud addikt?" He asked if it was possible to start with pennies and eventually move up. It is. have a nice day, FishNChips
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#10
11-01-2005, 08:32 PM
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Re: The Experiment on Doyles Room
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Ok.. do the math... Please tell me how long it would take to build even 5k... Starting at .01 winning a HEALTHY 3 bb/100 and playing 1k hands per week.. Moving up in stakes to next limit once you have 400 bb as a bank roll.... lets see the math, and that assuming HE NEVER has a losing streak. The people supporting this are absolute fools, I would venture to say that anyone supporting this argument is playing no higher than 3/6.... And if your playing 3/6 or lower... 1. You arent a good player 2. You arent earning much of a living from poker I would think you could probably collect 10 cans per hour (50C per hour) and maybe stumble accross a nickel or dime on the streat in that time as well... SO unless you are making 60 bb/100, my argument and logic are correct that you would be better off collecting cans for a bankroll. BTW, you guys are morons [/ QUOTE ] If the OP is a winning player at 1 cent 2 cent, and enjoys playing it, then playing online poker at 1 cent 2 cent versus playing World of Warcraft, or Civilization 4, or whatever the kids are playing these days is +EV for him, and +Utility as well. Would you be ripping into this guy so much if he admitted that he just plays play money for fun? I am however against this for a different reason. Its goinig to sting very badly if this kid works his way up to a few hundred, and then finds out that he can't cashout because he's underage.
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